White Privilege
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Maxine will most probably discredit the author.
"Maxine". Funny. And appropriate, given the fascination with a particular feminine hygiene product.
Nahh, dont know the author, but given the fact that she is writing for slate, i could most likely find all kinds of articles from her past supporting all kinds of bad commie ideas if i wanted too.
An excellent summary of where we are (the article is of course longer than these excerpts)
Why I Am Optimistic About the Future of Race Relations in America
. . . According to authors Lawrence D. Bobo of Harvard, Camille Z. Charles of the University of Pennsylvania, Maria Krysan of the University of Illinois, Chicago, and Alicia D. Simmons of Stanford University in “The Real Record on Racial Attitudes”—a paper in the 2012 volume of Social Trends in American Life: Findings from the General Social Survey Since 1972—whites have progressed on a wide range of measures. As recently as 1990, more than 40 percent of whites supported a homeowner’s right to discriminate on the basis of race; by 2008, that number had dropped to 28 percent (including 25 percent of highly educated Northern whites). The same goes for the percentage of whites who said blacks were “less intelligent” than whites, which dipped from nearly 60 percent in 1990 to less than 30 percent in 2008. And so few whites support school segregation that the General Social Survey has dropped the item from its questionnaire.
Whites are also more tolerant of interracial marriage. When first measured in 1990, note the authors, fully 65 percent of whites opposed unions between close relatives and black Americans. By 2008, that number had declined to 25 percent, and in a 2013 Gallup survey, 84 percent of whites said they approved of interracial marriages between blacks and whites. Some of the most comprehensive polling–outside of the General Social Survey—comes from the Pew Research Center. According to a 2010 report, 64 percent of whites say they would be “fine with it” if a family member married a black American, while 27 percent say they would be “bothered” but accepting. Only 6 percent say they would reject the marriage. Support is lowest among older whites, and highest among white millennials, who don’t differ in approval from their black and Hispanic peers. . . .
. . . If the reality of changing white attitudes are grounds for racial optimism, then the fact of black stagnation and retrenchment are grounds for racial pessimism. And there’s a strong case that the latter outweighs the former. Not only will these economic trends take decades to play out, but it’s unclear if Americans are willing to devote the time and effort to closing our racial gaps and integrating poor black Americans into the national mainstream. If the present push against equal participation—exemplified by voter ID and conservative attacks on the Voting Rights Act—is any indication, it’s hard to imagine a future where the public spends tax dollars to fix the consequences of its past discrimination. Worse, the same optimism around race relations could undermine a push to improve conditions—if things seem good, even if deep inequalities still exist, there’s no reason to make them better. . . .
. . . The black struggle for equal rights—for full partnership in the American experiment—obviously isn’t over. The proof is everywhere, from an unfair criminal justice system to an economy that discards black potential. If there is a question, it goes back to optimism versus pessimism. Should our steady progression make us optimistic? Or are our short memories (“redlining” means nothing to most Americans), backsliding (“Redemption” followed Reconstruction, mass incarceration followed the end of Jim Crow), and retreat to myth (We made it on our own, why can’t they do it) cause for pessimism? . . .
Why I Am Optimistic About the Future of Race Relations in America
. . . According to authors Lawrence D. Bobo of Harvard, Camille Z. Charles of the University of Pennsylvania, Maria Krysan of the University of Illinois, Chicago, and Alicia D. Simmons of Stanford University in “The Real Record on Racial Attitudes”—a paper in the 2012 volume of Social Trends in American Life: Findings from the General Social Survey Since 1972—whites have progressed on a wide range of measures. As recently as 1990, more than 40 percent of whites supported a homeowner’s right to discriminate on the basis of race; by 2008, that number had dropped to 28 percent (including 25 percent of highly educated Northern whites). The same goes for the percentage of whites who said blacks were “less intelligent” than whites, which dipped from nearly 60 percent in 1990 to less than 30 percent in 2008. And so few whites support school segregation that the General Social Survey has dropped the item from its questionnaire.
Whites are also more tolerant of interracial marriage. When first measured in 1990, note the authors, fully 65 percent of whites opposed unions between close relatives and black Americans. By 2008, that number had declined to 25 percent, and in a 2013 Gallup survey, 84 percent of whites said they approved of interracial marriages between blacks and whites. Some of the most comprehensive polling–outside of the General Social Survey—comes from the Pew Research Center. According to a 2010 report, 64 percent of whites say they would be “fine with it” if a family member married a black American, while 27 percent say they would be “bothered” but accepting. Only 6 percent say they would reject the marriage. Support is lowest among older whites, and highest among white millennials, who don’t differ in approval from their black and Hispanic peers. . . .
. . . If the reality of changing white attitudes are grounds for racial optimism, then the fact of black stagnation and retrenchment are grounds for racial pessimism. And there’s a strong case that the latter outweighs the former. Not only will these economic trends take decades to play out, but it’s unclear if Americans are willing to devote the time and effort to closing our racial gaps and integrating poor black Americans into the national mainstream. If the present push against equal participation—exemplified by voter ID and conservative attacks on the Voting Rights Act—is any indication, it’s hard to imagine a future where the public spends tax dollars to fix the consequences of its past discrimination. Worse, the same optimism around race relations could undermine a push to improve conditions—if things seem good, even if deep inequalities still exist, there’s no reason to make them better. . . .
. . . The black struggle for equal rights—for full partnership in the American experiment—obviously isn’t over. The proof is everywhere, from an unfair criminal justice system to an economy that discards black potential. If there is a question, it goes back to optimism versus pessimism. Should our steady progression make us optimistic? Or are our short memories (“redlining” means nothing to most Americans), backsliding (“Redemption” followed Reconstruction, mass incarceration followed the end of Jim Crow), and retreat to myth (We made it on our own, why can’t they do it) cause for pessimism? . . .
When are we going to address the blatant black privilege in the NBA and other sports?
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Well DB made some good points;
except skin color and sodomy are not equal at all. However I don't have a problem with JPFO[Jews For possession of Firearms Ownership] letting lesbian in that group.
By the way'' white privilege '' is another lie, just like ''hands up don't shoot''
99% of'' white'' people are NOT white, check your Sherwin William color chart.LOL Albinos are white''[pink eyes, white skin '' Also that 400pound /+ dead man in NY was in horrible health + had a rap sheet 30 counts long + was supervised @ death by a black female cop. To leave that info out is typical of liars;No offence intended truth offends sometime;. thanks
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One responder accused me of not even knowing what racism is. So let’s be clear. Any person or group can be prejudiced against another group, for any reason and based on any characteristic. But if a prejudiced group has the power to instill its own set of prejudices into the laws, culture and societal norms of the larger community, then it is an “ism.” It becomes a system which does the discriminating on behalf of the powerful majority.
If women are regarded as less than men, and men have the power (they do!) to set the system up to benefit men at the expense of women, then we have sex-ism, or gender-based discrimination: unequal pay for the same job, wives-obedient-to-their-husbands understandings of marriage, and efforts to diminish access to birth control and the freedom for women it brings.
If it’s better to be heterosexual than to be homosexual, and heterosexuals hold the power (they do!) to set up the society so that it benefits straight people, to the detriment of LGBT people, we have heterosex-ism: like denying the freedom to marry, allowing people to fire someone for being gay, and permitting proprietors of public businesses to deny services and accommodation to LGBT people.
This country has a long, violent and shameful history of our system being set up to value white people over people of color. For African-Americans, that history is further enforced by a legacy of human slavery—a legacy that cannot be swept away by merely declaring a level playing field, when there isn’t one. There may be prejudice and enmity coming from either side, but the power to set the system up to benefit whites over people of color belongs to the white majority. And so we have race-ism.
And here’s the thing about systemic racism: I actually don’t have to hold any personal prejudice against people of color in order to benefit from the system set up to reward and privilege me, as a white man, over my black or brown neighbor. This is insidious, because it allows me to say (even honestly) that I hold no bias against people of color, while still benefitting from a societalsystem that does the hating and privileging for me. It’s the kind of system that leads black parents to instruct their boys how to act when (and not if!) police stop them for no reason. It’s the system that privileges resumes with white names (Dustin, Bradley, Elizabeth) over those with “ethnic” names (Shaquille, Trevon, Aliyeh).
And then, Ferguson showed us how systemic racism plays itself out. . . .
Gene Robinson[/quote]
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Well DB made some good points;
except skin color and sodomy are not equal at all. However I don't have a problem with JPFO[Jews For possession of Firearms Ownership] letting lesbian in that group.
By the way'' white privilege '' is another lie, just like ''hands up don't shoot''
99% of'' white'' people are NOT white, check your Sherwin William color chart.LOL Albinos are white''[pink eyes, white skin '' Also that 400pound /+ dead man in NY was in horrible health + had a rap sheet 30 counts long + was supervised @ death by a black female cop. To leave that info out is typical of liars;No offence intended truth offends sometime;. thanks
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One responder accused me of not even knowing what racism is. So let’s be clear. Any person or group can be prejudiced against another group, for any reason and based on any characteristic. But if a prejudiced group has the power to instill its own set of prejudices into the laws, culture and societal norms of the larger community, then it is an “ism.” It becomes a system which does the discriminating on behalf of the powerful majority.
If women are regarded as less than men, and men have the power (they do!) to set the system up to benefit men at the expense of women, then we have sex-ism, or gender-based discrimination: unequal pay for the same job, wives-obedient-to-their-husbands understandings of marriage, and efforts to diminish access to birth control and the freedom for women it brings.
If it’s better to be heterosexual than to be homosexual, and heterosexuals hold the power (they do!) to set up the society so that it benefits straight people, to the detriment of LGBT people, we have heterosex-ism: like denying the freedom to marry, allowing people to fire someone for being gay, and permitting proprietors of public businesses to deny services and accommodation to LGBT people.
This country has a long, violent and shameful history of our system being set up to value white people over people of color. For African-Americans, that history is further enforced by a legacy of human slavery—a legacy that cannot be swept away by merely declaring a level playing field, when there isn’t one. There may be prejudice and enmity coming from either side, but the power to set the system up to benefit whites over people of color belongs to the white majority. And so we have race-ism.
And here’s the thing about systemic racism: I actually don’t have to hold any personal prejudice against people of color in order to benefit from the system set up to reward and privilege me, as a white man, over my black or brown neighbor. This is insidious, because it allows me to say (even honestly) that I hold no bias against people of color, while still benefitting from a societalsystem that does the hating and privileging for me. It’s the kind of system that leads black parents to instruct their boys how to act when (and not if!) police stop them for no reason. It’s the system that privileges resumes with white names (Dustin, Bradley, Elizabeth) over those with “ethnic” names (Shaquille, Trevon, Aliyeh).
And then, Ferguson showed us how systemic racism plays itself out. . . .
Gene Robinson[/quote]
White privilege, what the heck is it really? Depends who you ask I think. Ask the average white guy slugging it out day to day and some tedious job, going home to his mundane life only to get up and do it all over again tomorrow...that guy says there is no such thing as white privilege.
I think, I don't know for sure, but I think black people who believe this white privilege thing are talking about never really being given the chance to have that tedious job with the mundane life. Yes they can attend any public school, but that school system fails them, and everyone else quite frankly. Yes, they can now apply for any job, but most are ill prepared for that job and it shows even if they get the job. The harsh truth is equality opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes. Never has, never will. Another harsh truth is that catching up when you started so far behind is unlikely given the fast pace of the world we live in today. So yeah, they got hosed and got hosed in a major way. How do you undo that if you're white? You can't. How do you get over that if you're black? Just put it behind you and get on with it? Easier said than done. Who am I to judge who can and who can't?
I don't know how we get past this. I do know it won't be solved doing what we've been doing. The last 60 years of what passes for some kind of reform has been an abject failure. Throwing money at it, dumbing down a system, accepting anti-social behavior as the norm, just shrugging our shoulders and walking away from it, all of it just adds to the problem. White people pretending as if these sins of the past have no long lasting impact are being disingenuous at best.
For people like myself who are old enough to have seen true discrimination and racism in it's purest form, then see changes made that offered some hope, see that hope come to fruition, see tensions calm down and hey, what do you know, we have a black president. Six years later it's turned into a god damn disaster. Makes me say WTF? Events of the past 6 months have set relations back 60 years. How did this happen? Easy to point fingers, lots of blame to go around. What do we do now? Well, may I offer this one suggestion as a starting point. Let's all be honest enough to admit, every single one of us regardless of creed or color, there aren't any clean hands in this. None! Everybody been playing fast and loose with the facts. Everybody been slicing and dicing the words of others, while fogging their own. Can everyone just step up and say, guilty as charged? OK, now what? We either take each others hand and say OK, lets fix this, or we rip each others throats out. There is no third choice. Everyone wants a third choice but there isn't one. Either we find a way past this, or we end it, right here, right now. I don't think anyone can argue that we are not at a tipping point.
I have no expectation of solving this issue on some stupid message board, but let me be the first. Guilty as charged! I extend my hand. Your next move will determine mine? Peace pipe or lead pipe?
I think, I don't know for sure, but I think black people who believe this white privilege thing are talking about never really being given the chance to have that tedious job with the mundane life. Yes they can attend any public school, but that school system fails them, and everyone else quite frankly. Yes, they can now apply for any job, but most are ill prepared for that job and it shows even if they get the job. The harsh truth is equality opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes. Never has, never will. Another harsh truth is that catching up when you started so far behind is unlikely given the fast pace of the world we live in today. So yeah, they got hosed and got hosed in a major way. How do you undo that if you're white? You can't. How do you get over that if you're black? Just put it behind you and get on with it? Easier said than done. Who am I to judge who can and who can't?
I don't know how we get past this. I do know it won't be solved doing what we've been doing. The last 60 years of what passes for some kind of reform has been an abject failure. Throwing money at it, dumbing down a system, accepting anti-social behavior as the norm, just shrugging our shoulders and walking away from it, all of it just adds to the problem. White people pretending as if these sins of the past have no long lasting impact are being disingenuous at best.
For people like myself who are old enough to have seen true discrimination and racism in it's purest form, then see changes made that offered some hope, see that hope come to fruition, see tensions calm down and hey, what do you know, we have a black president. Six years later it's turned into a god damn disaster. Makes me say WTF? Events of the past 6 months have set relations back 60 years. How did this happen? Easy to point fingers, lots of blame to go around. What do we do now? Well, may I offer this one suggestion as a starting point. Let's all be honest enough to admit, every single one of us regardless of creed or color, there aren't any clean hands in this. None! Everybody been playing fast and loose with the facts. Everybody been slicing and dicing the words of others, while fogging their own. Can everyone just step up and say, guilty as charged? OK, now what? We either take each others hand and say OK, lets fix this, or we rip each others throats out. There is no third choice. Everyone wants a third choice but there isn't one. Either we find a way past this, or we end it, right here, right now. I don't think anyone can argue that we are not at a tipping point.
I have no expectation of solving this issue on some stupid message board, but let me be the first. Guilty as charged! I extend my hand. Your next move will determine mine? Peace pipe or lead pipe?
The black privilege in the NBA is some seriously racist shit.
Why are there not more white guys in the NBA?
In US, 78% white and 63% white not latino, why isn't the NBA reflective of this?
Why are there not more white guys in the NBA?
In US, 78% white and 63% white not latino, why isn't the NBA reflective of this?
There is for white people. Avoid the `groid. No whites? Blacks fail. No blacks? Whites thrive.