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One type of cat is not superior to another cat.
Nor is one dog superior to another dog.
They are all just cats or dogs.
I can't help it if your identification is that of a an atheistic Semite.
Atheistic Semites aren't superior or inferior, they just are Atheistic Semites...like you.
When it comes to the true religious aspect of Judaism, the true spiritual aspect of Judaism...the atheistic Semites behave like a bad actor in a bad play of Judaism all the time...it has become the culture of the atheistic Semites to give lip service to these once spiritually based reminders which have now become meaningless rituals, like people getting together each year to watch the Super Bowl...it really has nothing to do with a relationship with God...
"EDIT: i don't know why you feel qualified to tell me about my own religious beliefs... but you might be surprised to hear that i keep pretty kosher and observe most all jewish holidays... there is also no torah commandment which states : "thou shalt not have an interest in biology or genetics"
You have no problem with calling me a Scientologist, so I figure if you are following the Law of God and Moses like good Jews do, and since you like to make things up about the beliefs of others...that is what you want to be done to you...
By the way, acting out ritualistic practices is not following the law of God and Moses. Atheistic Semites do it all the time...they do the cultural rituals and ignore the law of God and Moses the rest of the time.
Nor is one dog superior to another dog.
They are all just cats or dogs.
I can't help it if your identification is that of a an atheistic Semite.
Atheistic Semites aren't superior or inferior, they just are Atheistic Semites...like you.
When it comes to the true religious aspect of Judaism, the true spiritual aspect of Judaism...the atheistic Semites behave like a bad actor in a bad play of Judaism all the time...it has become the culture of the atheistic Semites to give lip service to these once spiritually based reminders which have now become meaningless rituals, like people getting together each year to watch the Super Bowl...it really has nothing to do with a relationship with God...
"EDIT: i don't know why you feel qualified to tell me about my own religious beliefs... but you might be surprised to hear that i keep pretty kosher and observe most all jewish holidays... there is also no torah commandment which states : "thou shalt not have an interest in biology or genetics"
You have no problem with calling me a Scientologist, so I figure if you are following the Law of God and Moses like good Jews do, and since you like to make things up about the beliefs of others...that is what you want to be done to you...
By the way, acting out ritualistic practices is not following the law of God and Moses. Atheistic Semites do it all the time...they do the cultural rituals and ignore the law of God and Moses the rest of the time.
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yes zzzenu, and within the feline and canine races, there are also a myriad of different species, with different genetic proclivities which define them... why do you think humans are any different?
i never ever said that generalizations hold true for every member of a given group, in fact i have always said the exact opposite. i will, once again, paraphrase steven pinker on the issue:
"In theory, we have the intellectual and moral tools to defuse the dangers. "Is" does not imply "ought." Group differences, when they exist, pertain to averages, not to individual men and women. There are geniuses and dullards, saints and sinners, in every race, ethnicity, and gender. Political equality is a commitment to universal human rights, and to policies that treat people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups; it is not an empirical claim that people are indistinguishable. Many commentators seem unwilling to grasp these points. "
can you admit that you were wrong yet zzzzenu? would be a great place to start a new chapter of personal growth...
EDIT: i don't know why you feel qualified to tell me about my own religious beliefs... but you might be surprised to hear that i keep pretty kosher and observe most all jewish holidays... there is also no torah commandment which states : "thou shalt not have an interest in biology or genetics"
Do know what an analogy is, and why an analogy is used?
Someone doesn't need to be an authority on Judaism to know that there are people who practice the religion from their heart, and there are those who give Judaism lip service and act out the rituals in a meaningless fashion, completely divorced from the spiritual side of Judaism. These secular types are atheistic Semites. All ritual if even that, and nothing at all in their hearts for God.
This is true for all the religions, you have the actors, the in name only types, the ones who go to church on Sunday or Temple on Friday night and sin like monsters the rest of the time and ignore having a right and true relationship with their God...and then you have those who take their respective religion to heart and work all the time to practice their respective religions with their heart and soul. Ritual means nothing to them, the spirit of their religion means everything...
A person can act all pious and holy, they can do all the rituals and observe all the high Holy days...they can act just like an actor on a stage and fool most of the people...it is just show business anyway, showing their vanity of being "pious and holy, being a religious man"... but God and the person who is only acting knows the deepest truth of the situation, that acting one way for the sake of show business is one thing, and truly having faith in God and trusting in God is a completely different thing.
When you are alone, and you think no one is watching...God is watching. The truly religious not only know that to be true, they feel it in their hearts with full faith all the time.
p.s. As to your lie that I said there were no genetic differences between human beings, I would ask you to link to an exact quote...but I know you won't do that. It is your nature to make stuff up.
All I said is that there is a human race.
And that is what matters. It is all that matters because that humanity, if dominant, will look beyond the shallowness of racism and genetic differences to what makes all human beings created equally.
Racists like you look for the differences which lead to inferior and superior attitudes toward others on the basis of race and ethnicity (genetics)...non racists only see human beings acting irrationally by thinking they are superior or inferior to fellow members of the same human race.
Someone doesn't need to be an authority on Judaism to know that there are people who practice the religion from their heart, and there are those who give Judaism lip service and act out the rituals in a meaningless fashion, completely divorced from the spiritual side of Judaism. These secular types are atheistic Semites. All ritual if even that, and nothing at all in their hearts for God.
This is true for all the religions, you have the actors, the in name only types, the ones who go to church on Sunday or Temple on Friday night and sin like monsters the rest of the time and ignore having a right and true relationship with their God...and then you have those who take their respective religion to heart and work all the time to practice their respective religions with their heart and soul. Ritual means nothing to them, the spirit of their religion means everything...
A person can act all pious and holy, they can do all the rituals and observe all the high Holy days...they can act just like an actor on a stage and fool most of the people...it is just show business anyway, showing their vanity of being "pious and holy, being a religious man"... but God and the person who is only acting knows the deepest truth of the situation, that acting one way for the sake of show business is one thing, and truly having faith in God and trusting in God is a completely different thing.
When you are alone, and you think no one is watching...God is watching. The truly religious not only know that to be true, they feel it in their hearts with full faith all the time.
p.s. As to your lie that I said there were no genetic differences between human beings, I would ask you to link to an exact quote...but I know you won't do that. It is your nature to make stuff up.
All I said is that there is a human race.
And that is what matters. It is all that matters because that humanity, if dominant, will look beyond the shallowness of racism and genetic differences to what makes all human beings created equally.
Racists like you look for the differences which lead to inferior and superior attitudes toward others on the basis of race and ethnicity (genetics)...non racists only see human beings acting irrationally by thinking they are superior or inferior to fellow members of the same human race.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
LOL zzzenu, i never said anything with regard to the superiority of cats or dogs... since you are obviously an authority on judaism, it's odd that you didn't know that a tenet of judaism was that a jew is a jew regardless of whether or not they maintain fidelity with jewish beliefs or customs...
and yes, the fact that you changed your position from 1) there are no genetic differences differences between humans to 2) there are no differences btwn semitic groups to 3) there are genetic differences between jews and other semitic groups because they have "evolved" differently due to ''culture and diet''... so right now that's where we are at, which is contradictory to your opening position on this matter...
wow zzzzenu, not only are you an authority on judaism, also on genetics and evolutionary biology... an impressive resume you have! :eek:
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i posted this somewhere else ,religion has a s much to do with steering people astray as it does in guiding them toward a better life,so before you embark on a religious hair splitting who's better debate,think of all the people created before religion was invented, that made the important choices without a church, synogogue, mosque,or temple to ask for guidance...picture 6 religious leaders sitting on a log at a campfire in heaven debating theology ,and a few caveman and god just looking at em in disbelief
...another bald faced lie.
That is what you do...
That is what you do...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
hahah have to love zzzzzenu/optional's habbit of deleting posts right after he makes them, right before i posted all those quotes of his, he had made a post saying that he never said there weren't any genetic or racial distinctions btwn humans or btwn jews and other semitic peoples, by the time i posted the quotes to catch him in his lie he's deleted the post....
More lies.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
you know as soon as you realize you make a really stupid post(which only seems to happen about 1-2% of the time) and you immediately delete it, im not the only one who can see it... sooner or later everyone else will... so NOW it only stands that you changed 180 degrees in your position in this debate, you deleted the post where you refuted that you had made the previous claims, but dont worry, ill start quoting them soon so everyone can see.... not that you have any credibility as it is...
There are no genetic difference sufficient to create a race different from the human race.
All are humans, just like all cats are cats, all dogs are dogs, etc.
Human DNA, cat DNA, dog DNA.
That there are different types of dogs, and cats, and humans is not as important as the fact they are just dogs, cats, and humans.
The subtle differences, i.e. long haired cats vs. short haired cats, big dogs vs. small dogs, etc. is just a matter of differences in the range of all dogs, all cats.
The subtle differences in human beings is much greater than the gross differences in cats and dogs.
These subtle differences combined with environment, culture, diet, mental attitude, drive, are a much greater factor than the genetic code across the entire range of the human race.
My consensus is unchanged, you are a liar and an atheistic Semite.
Jews are those who practice the Jewish religions, just as Catholics are those who practice the Catholic religion.
The secular atheistic Semites are not Jews, as being Jewish is not a function of DNA but of choice of what values to embrace in life.
All are humans, just like all cats are cats, all dogs are dogs, etc.
Human DNA, cat DNA, dog DNA.
That there are different types of dogs, and cats, and humans is not as important as the fact they are just dogs, cats, and humans.
The subtle differences, i.e. long haired cats vs. short haired cats, big dogs vs. small dogs, etc. is just a matter of differences in the range of all dogs, all cats.
The subtle differences in human beings is much greater than the gross differences in cats and dogs.
These subtle differences combined with environment, culture, diet, mental attitude, drive, are a much greater factor than the genetic code across the entire range of the human race.
My consensus is unchanged, you are a liar and an atheistic Semite.
Jews are those who practice the Jewish religions, just as Catholics are those who practice the Catholic religion.
The secular atheistic Semites are not Jews, as being Jewish is not a function of DNA but of choice of what values to embrace in life.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
so which is it today zzzzenu? are there no genetic differences between human groups? are there differences between general humans and semitic humans, or are there genetic differences between jews and other semitic groups, but not between semitic groups and the rest of humanity? what is your consensus today???
Compare range in IQ of all cats, IQ of all gods, then compare range of all humans.
Compare range of accomplishments of all cats, all dogs, and all humans.
The differences in humans are more subtle, even though the outcome is greater and of a greater range...all due to the human mind and its potential compared to cat mind or dog mind.
We can see humans like you who lie and are illogical, and other humans who are logical and don't need to continually make false claims.
Dog and cat behavior is pretty limited due to the limits of their mind...
Human mind is unlimited in comparison, and behavior reflects that in the range of human experiences and human behavior, form the worst to the best, from the liars to those who tell the truth and don't continually make false claims, from the reasonable to the unreasonable, from the narcissistic atheistic human beings to the compassionate saintly human beings.
Yet the DNA is subtle, and the human mind even more subtle and beyond instrumentation.
The difference between the most evolved primates and the human being is very subtle, but the gross differences are astounding.
Compare range of accomplishments of all cats, all dogs, and all humans.
The differences in humans are more subtle, even though the outcome is greater and of a greater range...all due to the human mind and its potential compared to cat mind or dog mind.
We can see humans like you who lie and are illogical, and other humans who are logical and don't need to continually make false claims.
Dog and cat behavior is pretty limited due to the limits of their mind...
Human mind is unlimited in comparison, and behavior reflects that in the range of human experiences and human behavior, form the worst to the best, from the liars to those who tell the truth and don't continually make false claims, from the reasonable to the unreasonable, from the narcissistic atheistic human beings to the compassionate saintly human beings.
Yet the DNA is subtle, and the human mind even more subtle and beyond instrumentation.
The difference between the most evolved primates and the human being is very subtle, but the gross differences are astounding.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
wow, you sound like an expert on genetics, have you studied it somewhere to speak with such authority on the topic?... so to clarify, the ''subtle" differences in human beings is ''much greater'' than the "gross difference" in cats and dogs?
what exactly do you mean?
People measure cognitive skills all the time in cats and dogs...by how trainable they are and how well their pets solve problems that cats and dogs face.
Certain breeds of cats and dogs are at risk for life threatening diseases and conditions where other breeds of cats and dogs are not. It really isn't a big deal from a genetic perspective, it just illustrates that certain breeds of animals have issues that pet owners need to deal with, same with human beings needing to deal with their own genetic disposition concerning inherited conditions related to health.
Oh, and I was not wrong...however that won't stop you from making that false claim. If you could actually make a solid argument for once that shows that I was wrong, which you can't of course, then you wouldn't need to say it...
"Everybody here" determining credibility is as fallacious as it gets...
When "ET town" is used to determine credibility, then it is pretty clear that illogical thinking and the ability reason effectively to counter an argument is so lacking as to implement the "ET town's opinion" as a measure of a discussion clearly demonstrates the left side of the bell curve in debating skills is where you are stuck.
An appeal to the authority of the ET Townies?
ROTFLMAO...
So this is where you will make more false claims, because, like dogs and cats lick themselves because they can...you make false claims because you can, and it appears that is your nature to lick yourself with endless false claims.
Or better yet, like so many of the local yokels, start a thread with a poll that will "prove" you are right.
Too freaking funny...
Certain breeds of cats and dogs are at risk for life threatening diseases and conditions where other breeds of cats and dogs are not. It really isn't a big deal from a genetic perspective, it just illustrates that certain breeds of animals have issues that pet owners need to deal with, same with human beings needing to deal with their own genetic disposition concerning inherited conditions related to health.
Oh, and I was not wrong...however that won't stop you from making that false claim. If you could actually make a solid argument for once that shows that I was wrong, which you can't of course, then you wouldn't need to say it...
"Everybody here" determining credibility is as fallacious as it gets...
When "ET town" is used to determine credibility, then it is pretty clear that illogical thinking and the ability reason effectively to counter an argument is so lacking as to implement the "ET town's opinion" as a measure of a discussion clearly demonstrates the left side of the bell curve in debating skills is where you are stuck.
An appeal to the authority of the ET Townies?
ROTFLMAO...
So this is where you will make more false claims, because, like dogs and cats lick themselves because they can...you make false claims because you can, and it appears that is your nature to lick yourself with endless false claims.
Or better yet, like so many of the local yokels, start a thread with a poll that will "prove" you are right.
Too freaking funny...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
wow that's a great suggestion zzzzenu, trying to measure cognitive ability in animals sounds very feasible... IQ of all gods? wow, mustve hit the bottle as soon as you got home from the scientology meeting today...
the difference in humans is more subtle? really? you must be very learned in the sciences of evolutionary biology and genetics to make such claims... the funny thing is, most geneticists disagree with you... i'd say life threatening diseases that threaten one race, but almost never affect another are a pretty big difference, and that most certainly isn't the only one...
being voluntarily ignorant of a fact doesn't mean you have succeeded in changing it... you'd be wise to remember that...
it's not humans like me that lie, but humans like you that lie- most of all to yourself...
but a for effort in terms of trying to make this conversation about liars and truth tellers, or atheists and "saintly and compassionate" people.. i'm starting to think you prefer non sequitur to ad hominem these days... this conversation is not about liars or truth tellers or "saintly" vs atheist people...
and i think virtually everyone here would agree that your credibility as a moral arbiter is rather weak...
unfortunately for you, everyone reading here realizes that you trying to change the subject does not mean you have made a valid point, rather it means that you are trying to avoid the obvious fact that yours have been invalidated...
P.S.: i think there's a wonderful opportunity for you here to start a new chapter of personal growth in your life by simply admitting an obvious fact here- that you were wrong... i mean, there's really nothing you have to loose, because everyone else here already knows it... i just think it would be good for your soul to actually acknowledge it...