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Which Lobby Group Is Strongest..
- Thread starter OPTIONAL777
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Attack the messenger...
It certainly isn't "as if" you could actually make a Hebrew Scriptural argument against the Torah Jews position on Israel...
In any case, your diversion away from the point that I refuted, i.e. not everyone who disagrees with Israel's policies is an anti Semite...
I am not an anti Semite, however there are some atheistic Semites like yourself that I think are wrong on the issues...
It certainly isn't "as if" you could actually make a Hebrew Scriptural argument against the Torah Jews position on Israel...
In any case, your diversion away from the point that I refuted, i.e. not everyone who disagrees with Israel's policies is an anti Semite...
I am not an anti Semite, however there are some atheistic Semites like yourself that I think are wrong on the issues...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
zzzenu, these are nutra karta, the are a rightwing extremist religious group... and the only group of jews that i know of that doesn't support israel (based on some unique and esoteric interpretation of torah)
"wow, not only are you an abject moron"
Very sophisticated rebuttal...
Why read beyond that first line?
I didn't...Why bother?
How very Israeli supporter of you to begin a rebuttal with:
"wow, not only are you an abject moron."
And you wonder why so many people have issues with Israel and atheistic Semites?
Very sophisticated rebuttal...
Why read beyond that first line?
I didn't...Why bother?
How very Israeli supporter of you to begin a rebuttal with:
"wow, not only are you an abject moron."
And you wonder why so many people have issues with Israel and atheistic Semites?
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
wow, not only are you an abject moron, you are also uneducated... guess that's why you are a computer salesman...
here goes...
noone ever said israel produces oil here, that was a strawmam you resurrected to kill... neither myself nor anyone else here had made that claim
israel IS a democracy and it's an utter LIE that only jews or those with jewish ancestry can vote... that's not even a half truth, that's an utter lie, and the fact that you are trying to compare iraq to israel in terms of democracy is the final nail in the coffin of your credibility, iraq is a chaotic shit pit infested by local warlords and terrorists, with an occupying force hanging on by threads trying to install a government which will act in it's interests... it's utterly laughable that you would try to paint it as a 'democracy' and compare it to israel... so funny how you spend years of your life trying to ridicule the bush administration and iraq, spend years talking about how much of a failure iraq has been, then turn around, when it suits your purpose and call it a 'democracy' in an argument against israel.... this is the perfect illustration of your intellectual bankruptcy and moral repugnance... it is this very quality which makes the rest of humanity find you as repulsive as they do, in case you were ever wondering...
as far as israel and the united states are concerned.... you are wrong again there too.. it was not the united states that primarily supported israel following WW2, it was france and UK, PRIMARILY france.... the first israeli passports and legal documents were written in hebrew and FRENCH... the us being the primary supporter of israel didn't happen until later... not only is your reasoning flawed, so too are your facts...
Let's follow the money:
How much US spends on Israel (roughly 6 billion) very similar amounts for Egypt.
How much US spends on its military? $500 billion NOT INCLUDING wars in Iraq&Afghanistan. Under "W" administration military industrial complex received a christmas gift known as "global war on terror" which has no clear aims and cannot possibly end. Thankfully, this idiotic term will fall into disuse under Obama.
Great Britain wanted to have a navy stronger than the next two combined. US spends more on its military than whole of nato+russia+china, hell, US spends either more or as much as the rest of the world combined. Nobody in their right mind would treat this as sane.
All the people who voted for AIPAC need to get your heads checked. There is something blatantly obvious here and you ignore it.
How much US spends on Israel (roughly 6 billion) very similar amounts for Egypt.
How much US spends on its military? $500 billion NOT INCLUDING wars in Iraq&Afghanistan. Under "W" administration military industrial complex received a christmas gift known as "global war on terror" which has no clear aims and cannot possibly end. Thankfully, this idiotic term will fall into disuse under Obama.
Great Britain wanted to have a navy stronger than the next two combined. US spends more on its military than whole of nato+russia+china, hell, US spends either more or as much as the rest of the world combined. Nobody in their right mind would treat this as sane.
All the people who voted for AIPAC need to get your heads checked. There is something blatantly obvious here and you ignore it.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
troll silence... this is typically when he's downing bottles of skol vodka, listening to l ron hubbard tapes, stewing in anger trying to come up with another trollish diversion or strawman scapegoat...
Notice Option/ZZZ did not want to address the Taiwan issue head on while it is a big one. If US can commit itself to a potential armed confrontation with a major military power over an island, support of israel does not sound so extreme.
If you want to debate US foreign policy a lot of decisions can be debated, but when people single out Israel and AIPAC, they show their true colors.
Hate to burst your bubble, but no I did not continue reading your comments after the first line...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
yes, because this is the only thing you could say which would absolve you of the expectation of a response, by pretending that you didn't read it, you hope to get away with not responding to the facts it contains, too bad you are too stupid to see that you are the only one who doesn't see just how painfully transparent this is...
too bad you are afraid to address facts so as to have a meaningful discussion.. just because you have ignored the facts does not mean that you have succeeded in changing them...
When China wants Taiwan, they will take it and we will not, and cannot stop them...
Nuclear war over Taiwan?
Nope...
"If you want to debate US foreign policy a lot of decisions can be debated, but when people single out Israel and AIPAC, they show their true colors."
Bullshit. I haven't singled out AIPAC, the ET voters did...
In any case, the abuse of political power by AIPAC by a minute percentage of Americans in this country speaks for itself.
If you think about only 2% of voters actually swinging a normal election, then you would see pols pander to gays, women, Asians, voters with Native American blood to some degree, atheists, people living below the poverty line, etc...all of whom represent a greater percentage of the population than Jews.
This is not representative democracy...if it influence peddling by those who can afford it.
Egypt and Jordan don't have anything close to a lobby group like AIPAC...
Hard to find a country outside of the US who has such a strong influence on our government and elections...
You aren't really questioning the fact that jews do have a disproportionate influence on the political process?
On a percentage basis (2%) of population the influence is much greater than 2%.
Women also don't have proper representation in government. Greater than 50% of our people in the US are women, yet do we see 50% women in high levels of government?
The bottom line is these strong influence peddlers like AIPAC and others on the list are not thinking of what is best for America, especially when they represent the interests of just a small percentage of American's interest.
Why not just admit that AIPAC does have a proportionally strong influence on government, and then say, "Of course they do, they should, they are smarter because of their genetics, they have a great concentration of wealth and power, and also they are the chosen people of God."
At least that would be intellectually honest...
Nuclear war over Taiwan?
Nope...
"If you want to debate US foreign policy a lot of decisions can be debated, but when people single out Israel and AIPAC, they show their true colors."
Bullshit. I haven't singled out AIPAC, the ET voters did...
In any case, the abuse of political power by AIPAC by a minute percentage of Americans in this country speaks for itself.
If you think about only 2% of voters actually swinging a normal election, then you would see pols pander to gays, women, Asians, voters with Native American blood to some degree, atheists, people living below the poverty line, etc...all of whom represent a greater percentage of the population than Jews.
This is not representative democracy...if it influence peddling by those who can afford it.
Egypt and Jordan don't have anything close to a lobby group like AIPAC...
Hard to find a country outside of the US who has such a strong influence on our government and elections...
You aren't really questioning the fact that jews do have a disproportionate influence on the political process?
On a percentage basis (2%) of population the influence is much greater than 2%.
Women also don't have proper representation in government. Greater than 50% of our people in the US are women, yet do we see 50% women in high levels of government?
The bottom line is these strong influence peddlers like AIPAC and others on the list are not thinking of what is best for America, especially when they represent the interests of just a small percentage of American's interest.
Why not just admit that AIPAC does have a proportionally strong influence on government, and then say, "Of course they do, they should, they are smarter because of their genetics, they have a great concentration of wealth and power, and also they are the chosen people of God."
At least that would be intellectually honest...
Quote from IShopAtPublix:
Notice Option/ZZZ did not want to address the Taiwan issue head on while it is a big one. If US can commit itself to a potential armed confrontation with a major military power over an island, support of israel does not sound so extreme.
If you want to debate US foreign policy a lot of decisions can be debated, but when people single out Israel and AIPAC, they show their true colors.