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Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
- Thread starter ZZZzzzzzzz
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They would agree with me, as they understand the difference between the parts and the whole.
The Universe is the whole, what we measure are the parts of the Universe, we never measure the Universe as a whole, and it is not possible to know the whole by measurement of the parts alone, especially when there is no fixed point of reference that is known to be providing an accurate measurement for the entire Universe. It is sort of like this nonsense that some people say they know where the center of the Universe is.
Every scientist knows this to be true....
I have had conversations with scientists, and they agree that there no way to conclude unequivocally that the Universe is actually expanding by partial measurement of some of the parts.
But I do accept your defeat, thanks for the game.
Try talking to a good scientist, you will quickly find out that the good ones don't confuse what they actually know which is limited, and what they may believe to be true....
The Universe is the whole, what we measure are the parts of the Universe, we never measure the Universe as a whole, and it is not possible to know the whole by measurement of the parts alone, especially when there is no fixed point of reference that is known to be providing an accurate measurement for the entire Universe. It is sort of like this nonsense that some people say they know where the center of the Universe is.
Every scientist knows this to be true....
I have had conversations with scientists, and they agree that there no way to conclude unequivocally that the Universe is actually expanding by partial measurement of some of the parts.
But I do accept your defeat, thanks for the game.
Try talking to a good scientist, you will quickly find out that the good ones don't confuse what they actually know which is limited, and what they may believe to be true....
Quote from Bitstream:
seek help zizzo, u are in deep denial, almost disturbin'...i dont know how i can put it better for u....i suggest u go and tell this crap to scientists and physicists, lets see how fast and hard they kick u ass...at least u'll be able to experience your butt's expansion, R0R.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
They would agree with me, as they understand the difference between the parts and the whole.
The Universe is the whole, what we measure are the parts of the Universe, and it is not possible to know the whole by measurement of the parts alone.
Every scientist knows this to be true....
But I do accept your defeat, thanks for the game.
If you talk to a good scientist, you will quickly find out that the good ones don't confuse what they know, and what they believe....
go ahead and try, lets see what they tell u, am dyin' to know..by the way what we can see with the hubble telescope is an enormous, very vast part of our universe, it reaches to the deepest and far away part of it..and keeps goin' deeper and deeper by the day..the furthest away images come from limits so far away that galaxies become lesser and lesser and are considered the borders, and the hubble LAW still apply. also remember the further u go in space the further u go in time, this stuff is a law because it shows that it can be applied to billions of yrs ago like it can be applied to the present time.
again this is a law, if u deny that u have so serious issues of denials that u might be beyond any kinda help.
Has the Hubble telescope seen the end of the Universe yet?
Has it seen the beginning?
How about the middle of the Universe?
LOL....
In your own words we see a "part" of the Universe, the same way a fish sees a part of the room that is his fish bowl, but the fish doesn't see the house, the city, the state, the country, the planet, the solar system, etc.....
The law you refer to applies to what happens inside a particluar section of the universe, to a partial value of the Universe, but there is no way to know that the whole universe is expanding or contracting by observing and measuring heavenly bodies and their movements within it....especially when you are parked on one of the heavenly bodies.
Please, try to expand your thinking...
Has it seen the beginning?
How about the middle of the Universe?
LOL....
In your own words we see a "part" of the Universe, the same way a fish sees a part of the room that is his fish bowl, but the fish doesn't see the house, the city, the state, the country, the planet, the solar system, etc.....
The law you refer to applies to what happens inside a particluar section of the universe, to a partial value of the Universe, but there is no way to know that the whole universe is expanding or contracting by observing and measuring heavenly bodies and their movements within it....especially when you are parked on one of the heavenly bodies.
Please, try to expand your thinking...
Quote from Bitstream:
go ahead and try, lets see what they tell u, am dyin' to know..by the way what we can see with the hubble telescope is an enormous, very vast part of our universe, it reaches to the deepest and far away part of it..and keeps goin' deeper and deeper by the day..the furthest away images come from limits so far away that galaxies become lesser and lesser and are considered the borders, and the hubble LAW still apply. also remember the further u go in space the further u go in time, this stuff is a law because it shows that it can be applied to billions of yrs ago like it can be applied to the present time.
again this is a law, if u deny that u have so serious issues of denials that u might be beyond any kinda help.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Has the Hubble telescope seen the end of the Universe yet?
LOL....
the new one they are buildin' will see close to the beginnin'.
http://www.universetoday.com/am/exec/view.cgi/1/3022
Oh, and how will the know that is the beginning?
LOL.
Will they see a sign that says: The universe began here....
Too funny.
LOL.
Will they see a sign that says: The universe began here....
Too funny.
Quote from Bitstream:
the new one they are buildin' will see close to the beginnin'.
http://www.universetoday.com/am/exec/view.cgi/1/3022
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Oh, and how will the know that is the beginning?
LOL.
Will they see a sign that says: The universe began here....
Too funny.
yes too funny for u, the statement u just made just prove how little grasp u have on even the basics of astronomy, well on science in general as well for that matter. oh well, thats what u get when u refuse to go to school and get an education, but hell we live in a free world, we have free choice innit[?]
What is the limit of the range of the telescope?
Unlimited?
LOL.
You can't tell me the size of the Universe, you can't tell me the beginning, you can't tell me if there is an end to the Universe....but you think we can make measurements and then draw conclusions as to the parts of the Universe we cannot measure, and then conclude as to the nature of the whole Universe?
A man who lived his entire life in a box, would naturally think that was the entire world.
How common it is for scientific ignorance to parade itself as knowledge.
Unlimited?
LOL.
You can't tell me the size of the Universe, you can't tell me the beginning, you can't tell me if there is an end to the Universe....but you think we can make measurements and then draw conclusions as to the parts of the Universe we cannot measure, and then conclude as to the nature of the whole Universe?
A man who lived his entire life in a box, would naturally think that was the entire world.
How common it is for scientific ignorance to parade itself as knowledge.
Quote from Bitstream:
yes too funny for u, the statement u just made just prove how little grasp u have on even the basics of astronomy, well on science in general as well for that matter. oh well, thats what u get when u refuse to go to school and get an education, but hell we live in a free world, we have free choice innit[?]
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
What is the limit of the range of the telescope?
Unlimited?
LOL.
You can't tell me the size of the Universe, you can't tell me the beginning, you can't tell me if there is an end to the Universe....but you think we can make measurements and then draw conclusions as to the parts of the Universe we cannot measure, and then conclude as to the nature of the whole Universe?
A man who lived his entire life in a box, would naturally think that was the entire world.
How common it is for scientific ignorance to parade itself as knowledge.
the telescope will be able to go back so far to see the hubble's law at work when galaxies were all clustered together, prolly very close to the beginnin' of the expansion.
and for what concerns your argument about different laws is like sayin' that because we haven't explored all of the amazons that there is a chance that there is an environment over there that doesn't follow nature's rules and that has aliens livin in it. that's your argument isn't it. look im astonished by your remarks, u have been in a game of odds for half u life if not more and u should know that probabilities dictate studies, theories, behavior and as a consequence formulae. there are varaiables at work but they are very well known for gawd sake and they are predictable, like time, space and of course all the constants, like the speed of light that could in theory change, but only when close to a singularity. maybe there are other universes with their own physical laws but they will be independent from ours and there maybe galaxies are attracted to each others and those galaxies eventually could contract and revert to a huge dense mass with the dimension of an atom with no weight, like they could stay where they are for an eternity. it also possible that our universe has zones that dont obey to physics as we know but that would only be the case in areas very remote where we go so far back in time that we meet conditions similar to those that created the big beng [singularity again] but that is another matter altogether. remember that by refutin' hubble's law as valid in its entirety u assume that our universe operates with different sets of physical laws, and that would go against already discovered formulae that explain the works of our worlds.
Maybe baby....
I wonder if you even realize how much of what you you say is based on speculations and assumptions....
I wonder if you even realize how much of what you you say is based on speculations and assumptions....
Quote from Bitstream:
the telescope will be able to go back so far to see the hubble's law at work when galaxies were all clustered together, prolly very close to the beginnin' of the expansion.
and for what concerns your argument about different laws is like sayin' that because we haven't explored all of the amazons that there is a chance that there is an environment over there that doesn't follow nature's rules and that has aliens livin in it. that's your argument isn't it. look im astonished by your remarks, u have been in a game of odds for half u life if not more and u should know that probabilities dictate studies, theories, behavior and as a consequence formulae. there are varaiables at work but they are very well known for gawd sake and they are predictable, like time, space and of course all the constants, like the speed of light that could in theory change, but only when close to a singularity. maybe there are other universes with their own physical laws but they will be independent from ours and there maybe galaxies are attracted to each others and those galaxies eventually could contract and revert to a huge dense mass with the dimension of an atom with no weight, like they could stay where they are for an eternity. it also possible that our universe has zones that dont obey to physics as we know but that would only be the case in areas very remote where we go so far back in time that we meet conditions similar to those that created the big beng [singularity again] but that is another matter altogether. remember that by refutin' hubble's law as valid in its entirety u assume that our universe operates with different sets of physical laws, and that would go against already discovered formulae that explain the works of our worlds.