Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

So the Greeks were irrational because the majority thought the earth revolved around the sun?

There was no rational thought prior to Galileo and Newton?

There is a theory of evolution, there is not a fact of evolution of species of all species from lower to higher species.

Hey, I am not knocking your faith, fine by me, but intellectual faith is just that. faith.

See, all it takes is one flaw in a theory to take the whole thing down.

Prove that each and every change that is supposed to be "random" is actually "random" and not by design?

Rule it out, rule out that each "mutation" and change is fully random and not by design...

Try it...

Let me see your proof of fact that these so called "mutations" are actually by a random process, and not by design.

Fact is, we don't know, and what we don't know, what we are ignorant of, we must label and give some credibility to that ignorance. The intellect reaches the level of its incompetency, its ignorance, then uses term like "random" when there is no proof that there is any random force, or random process....honestly all that is known is that we don't see a pattern. Does that mean a pattern is not there? Not at all....It means we have reached our limit of perceptions, but we don't have unlimited perception, or unlimited intellect, or unlimited knowledge, etc.

Unless you can rule out that there is not possibly design, plan, and direction at work with each natural process.....the theory of evolution has no foundation that can withstand the potential future discoveries of proof of plan, design, and direction....

Quote from Bitstream:

yes those rational human being were part of the church and thx gawd some1 like galileo and newton explained how things really worked...before them copernico didnt have much to go around, it was just speculation. but in the case of evolution there is tangible proof that we [and our planet] went trough a process of transforamation called infact 'evolution'.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Show me the chicken eggs that were found at a time where there were no chickens.....

Quote from Ricter:

The chicken is specific, the egg less so. If you go back far enough, you don't find evidence of chickens anymore, but you do still find eggs.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

I am in no position to threaten, I have no power but the push of a button....

It is your choice actually what happens.

If the personal attacks and flaming continue, well.....

Quote from Ricter:

That's not personal, I was talking about what you say.

Anyway, threatening "disappearing posts by Ricter" is your act of desperation. Thanks for demonstrating, again, what I said about you never losing.

 

[hapaboy]

Please stop the flame war and return to the topic of the thread, which is something about chickens, eggs, and a marathon of some kind.

 

[Bitstream]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

So the Greeks were irrational because the majority thought the earth revolved around the sun?

There was no rational thought prior to Galileo and Newton?

never said, neither implied that...only that copernico...flat earth, remember? didn't made the calculations and had no formulae to back up his claims, while galileo and newton came up gravity and the 3 thermodynamic laws, enough to explain with precision how the solar system is organized.

There is a theory of evolution, there is not a fact of evolution of species of all species from lower to higher species.

if archeology [fossils], medicine [dna], geology[climate] are not science but rubbish to u then yes there are no fact whatsoever...maybe australopithecus, erectus, neanderthal, etc. never existed also, and there's zero connection between them, innit[?]

Hey, I am not knocking your faith, fine by me, but intellectual faith is just that. faith.

yours is a faith not mine; your theories are just that because u have zero evidence to support your facts while i have somethin and if i have to include faith so be it in progress. maybe not much but enough to keep evolution theories alive and grant them further study...also yours dont fit with science therefore are impossible to prove.

See, all it takes is one flaw in a theory to take the whole thing down.

bs, nothin' has been taken down, only in your mind.

Prove that each and every change that is supposed to be "random" is actually "random" and not by design?

u have to prove the contrary not me, singularities have to be proven and your is just one of them because doesn't fit with any model science can conceive.

Rule it out, rule out that each "mutation" and change is fully random and not by design...

^

Try it...

^
Let me see your proof of fact that these so called "mutations" are actually by a random process, and not by design.

^

Fact is, we don't know, and what we don't know, what we are ignorant of, we must label and give some credibility to that ignorance. The intellect reaches the level of its incompetency, its ignorance, then uses term like "random" when there is no proof that there is any random force, or random process....honestly all that is known is that we don't see a pattern. Does that mean a pattern is not there? Not at all....It means we have reached our limit of perceptions, but we don't have unlimited perception, or unlimited intellect, or unlimited knowledge, etc.

this is utter crap, we know much but not everythin', are u implyin' that because we dont know every aspect of our planet evolution that astronomy is all rubbish? pleeeeease....

Unless you can rule out that there is not possibly design, plan, and direction at work with each natural process.....the theory of evolution has no foundation that can withstand the potential future discoveries of proof of plan, design, and direction....

again, i rule out any singularity until proven otherwise, like any right minded and logical person wud do.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

I am in no position to threaten, I have no power but the push of a button....

It is your choice actually what happens.

If the personal attacks and flaming continue, well.....

Oh shut up Z. Exercise your "power".

 

[Ricter]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Show me the chicken eggs that were found at a time where there were no chickens.....

Now you're talking about "chicken eggs". Not what the thread is about, is it?

 

[Optionpro007]

We didn't hear from ZZZZzz anymore, so I think we won this argument hands down....

and a little more proof....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/07/oldest.life.ap/index.html

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

If you think you won, but didn't actually win, does it really matter?

Oh, and when it comes to proof that you claim to link to, perhaps you would do well to understand the concept of the word may...

Fossil mounds may be oldest life on Earth

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence....

Quote from optionpro007:

We didn't hear from ZZZZzz anymore, so I think we won this argument hands down....

and a little more proof....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/07/oldest.life.ap/index.html

 

[Optionpro007]

The only reason they used the word "may" in the article is because there could be something older still not yet discovered.

inclusive "may", not exclusive.

But anyways, I still haven't seen any proof from your part, that a "painter" created all these chickens. Hopefully you are not confusing your painter with a rooster...

hello, hello....

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

If you think you won, but didn't actually win, does it really matter?

Oh, and when it comes to proof that you claim to link to, perhaps you would do well to understand the concept of the word may...

Fossil mounds may be oldest life on Earth

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence....