Where's the "Change"

Quote from TGregg:

Change is all we'll have left in our pockets by the time the socialists get done with us. :(
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And where would you place Treasury Secretary Paulson who spearheaded Bush's $700 Billion dollar TARP proposal? - - - You know, the one that has invested $150 Billion of taxpayer money in AIG? Is Paulson and Bush in the socialist camp?

Just curious.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Most of the times I agree with you, Thunder. But this time around I am afraid you bought into a wrong idea. Fixing the infrastructure that is on the surface will destroy deeper support mechanisms of the economy and it will only make the situation worse. Fixing the economy has to start with reducing taxes to "0" for a while. It will renew the energy and boost the economy after which the taxes should be increased slowly. Of course, I am talking about corparate taxes only.
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MEASTRO,

There is clearly two differing camps with ideas how to fix the economy. People in the first camp believe in lowering taxes and letting the system fix itself. But what are these companies going to produce when there's no demand? No demand = no earnings = lay offs. Deadly spiral. The second camp believes that we should spend public money on infrustructure (that is by the way pretty beaten down and needs upgrades ) and thus we combat the job losses from the private sector and thus giving more money into the system which should in the end create more demand (consumer driven recovery).
I think a middle road is neccessary to come out on top in this crisis. We need both lower corporate taxes and infrustructure projects.

Paul
 
Quote from Landis82:

Do you always rely on the news media for their "biased" presentation of the news, or are you able to turn your BRAIN "on" and read for yourself?

From the Bill:

“For a further additional amount for ‘Community Development Fund,’ $4,190,000,000, to be used for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–289), of which—



“(1) not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allocated by a competition for which eligible entities shall be States, units of general local government, and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities[.]”



“(2) up to $750,000,000 shall be awarded by competition to nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities to provide community stabilization assistance […]”
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Brain is turned OFF, which is why I"m on this silly chat board with the likes of you!:D
 
Quote from FortuneTeller:

The "Change" is we do not have a President anymore, just a puppet named Obama.
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And what do you call a guy that spent > 500 days on vacation at Camp David, Kennebunkport, Maine, and the Crawford Ranch in Texas?

Certainly not a LEADER.
Anything but.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

...At least expenditure on infrastructure is targeting "stimulus" where it is needed. Across-the-board tax cuts would not necessarily boost spending beyond the incremental spending that would occur from targeted tax cuts...
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You guys considering a stimulus package up there in Canada too?
 
Quote from Landis82:

And where would you place Treasury Secretary Paulson who spearheaded Bush's $700 Billion dollar TARP proposal? - - - You know, the one that has invested $150 Billion of taxpayer money in AIG? Is Paulson and Bush in the socialist camp?

Just curious.
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It's socialism when the other party does it.....The so called conservatives have no idea what the hell they are talking about. They blame Democrats for creating deficits but still think that we had surpluses during Reagan, Bush Sr. and Dumbya.

Here's Republiclowns talking points

Bush failed because of Clinton, Clinton did good because of Reagan. If Obama does good it will be because of Reagan and Bush, if he does bad then he is just another liberal. Had McCain won the presidency and the economy had rebounded just on it's own, it would have been because of the $600 rebate check by Bush and if the economy had done bad it would have been due to Clinton.
 
Quote from eminitrader007:

It's socialism when the other party does it.....The so called conservatives have no idea what the hell they are talking about. They blame Democrats for creating deficits but still think that we had surpluses during Reagan, Bush Sr. and Dumbya.

Here's Republiclowns talking points

Bush failed because of Clinton, *Clinton did good because of Reagan. If Obama does good it will be because of Reagan and Bush, if he does bad then he is just another liberal. Had McCain won the presidency and the economy had rebounded just on it's own, it would have been because of the $600 rebate check by Bush and if the economy had done bad it would have been due to Clinton.
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* However, St Ronnie's good works mysteriously skipped over Bush the Smarter's term. Then rematerialized and made everything good in the 90s. Its like the Magic Bullet theory with economics.
 
Here's what I don't get... after 200 years (probably less but I'm not a political history expert) why are we still limited to a 2 party system? I understand that its better than other governments that have dozens of parties, with a new one getting elected every few terms, thus making it difficult to maintain consistency... but for moderates in this country, it seems a little ridiculous to constantly have to choose between whether or not economic or social issues are important "this time around."

It does seem like its time to at least have another legitimate and competitive alternative out there for those people who are fiscally conservative but socially liberal. And maybe even a 4th party for those who are fiscally liberal but socially conservative. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why every election, every voter that isn't either fiscally and socially conservative OR fiscally and socially liberal has to decide which values they're going to compromise based on the the hot topic issue that just happens to be in the news that year.
 
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