Where's Maverick? Bush behind Kerry in Polls now?

[AAAintheBeltway]

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I predict it will be a very nasty and bitter election. I only pray it does not irreparably damage our system. Anything is possible. And the groundwork has certainly been laid for a dirty election. And no matter what you say, the FACTS remain that it WAS and HAS BEEN the mentality of the REPUBLICAN PARTY that has created this atmosphere.

Watergate, Iran, Florida, Supreme Court intervention to name a few instances.

(OK, now let's hear about how Kennedy stole Illinois).

Peace,
RS

The one thing I agree with you about is that it will be a nasty and dirty election. That has increasingly become the face of the Democrat party. Character assassination and smears have replaced reasoned argument. Lying about matters of objective fact is taken as normal behavior. Inventing historical factoids and repeating them endlessly in some sort of pseudo-religious ritual has replaced serious thinking.

Don't believe me? I just heard both Kerry and Edwards defame Judge Pickering as basically a supporter of cross burnings and the KKK. In fact, he tesitified against the Klan leader at considerable personal risk, and sought a lesser sentence for one man who was tangentially involved in a cross burning in which he received a 7 year sentence while the two guys who did the actual burning got 6 monyh sentences.

Wesley Clark has said repeatedly he was always against the war. Turns out he testified in Congress in favor of it. Did he think they would just forget? Also, he makes the absurd argument that the Kosovo war he "led" was totally justified even without UN approval, but that Iraq was not.

As for inventing facts, I know you yearn for the glory days of Watergate, evne the made-up Iran contra "scandal", back in the days when people actually believed the media and there was no alternative media to keep the record straight. And Florida, oh yeah what a scandal. The Republicans actually expected the law to be followed. That was certainly mean-spirited and divisive of them. If they had just kept quiet and let the Dem's keep recounting banana-republic style, Gore would have won eventually. Particularly after they threw out all the military absentee ballots.

 

[BloodTrader]

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The bottom line seems to me at this point to be this: Bush, despite what any of us feel as to his qualifications, or his competence or the results of his actions and inaction while in office has just lied to the American public about too many things.

Everything that was used by the Republicans to besmirch Clinton...every insinuation, every accusation, and every distasteful tactic WILL be used. Politics is a dirty game. And there is a lot of dirt to be dug up and refined and used against Bush in the upcoming election.

Is it right? No, I find it as distasteful to use it against any candidate regardless of party or politics. But it is the way the system works. It is about attacking the record of the incumbent. And sadly for the Republicans, at this point there is just too much to attack.
RS

You don't get it. Haven't you seen how the media refuses to really go after Bush? Nothing even remotely like the stuff they did to Clinton, and Bush has much dirtier laundry to air (policitcally). The liberal media was a myth and now even the myth is history. The oligarchy controls the media now and the control gets tighter all the time. Bye bye democracy, as the fourth estate becomes a tool of the right.

Of course Bush will get re-elected...no other outcome will be allowed.

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[BloodTrader]

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RS,

Now I sit here looking at the market, nasdaq at 2 year highs and the dow within all time highs. Yeah I feel much better about the market now. Not to mention rates are at all time lows and we now have the highest rate of home ownership in our nations history.

On a side not, drug use is hitting 20 year lows, abortion rates are down across the board. I think our country is in pretty good shape right now. Yes, I do feel better then I did four years ago, a lot better. Bush will be a very hard man to beat come November. He liberated a country that was under brutal dictatorship for 30 years, he almost completely eliminated the entire terror force behind 9/11. He successfully brought the market back to within reach of its all time highs after the Clinton bubble 90's and has made the dream of american home ownership a reality. Something Clinton could never do even when the nasdaq was at 5000. Well, I guess this did turn out to be a long post. Good thing I can type about 80 words a minute.

Bubble redux.

All is sooooo rosy. Read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/magazine/25SEXTRAFFIC.html

m

 

[Maverick74]

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You don't get it. Haven't you seen how the media refuses to really go after Bush? Nothing even remotely like the stuff they did to Clinton, and Bush has much dirtier laundry to air (policitcally). The liberal media was a myth and now even the myth is history. The oligarchy controls the media now and the control gets tighter all the time. Bye bye democracy, as the fourth estate becomes a tool of the right.

Of course Bush will get re-elected...no other outcome will be allowed.

m

This is the best news I heard all day. Now I've got the media on my side and you are saying Bush is a lock to win in 2004. I'm going to go out and celebrate. Maybe we can get even lower taxes now and who knows, maybe we can start shutting down those genocide clinics, I mean Planned Parenthood. And just when I thought some liberal might get elected and open this country up to every terrorist attack under the sun, at least I know now that I'll have someone that will actually stand up to all those arabs that want to turn our country into a wasteland. Thanks Mackie for the good news, I really appreciate it. You really made my day!

 

[BloodTrader]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

The one thing I agree with you about is that it will be a nasty and dirty election. That has increasingly become the face of the Democrat party.

OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!! AND YES, I'M SHOUTING!!!

This is truly one of the most assinine posts on politics I've ever read in my LIFE. The right OWNS the underhanded, dirty tricks, scummy side of politics. Sheesh. Look at the the unbelieveable crap they pulled during the Clinton administration. For the right, THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, and any means are OK, even if they are destructive of our democracy.

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[BloodTrader]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

And Florida, oh yeah what a scandal. The Republicans actually expected the law to be followed. That was certainly mean-spirited and divisive of them. If they had just kept quiet and let the Dem's keep recounting banana-republic style, Gore would have won eventually. Particularly after they threw out all the military absentee ballots.

A banana republic is exactly what the right is turning the US into. And the Florida debacle is a good example of the misuse of power, from the Bush family connections and republican state govt. to the Supreme Courts.

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[Maverick74]

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A banana republic is exactly what the right is turning the US into. And the Florida debacle is a good example of the misuse of power, from the Bush family connections and republican state govt. to the Supreme Courts.

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Mackie, Florida admitted to not counting all the overseas absentee ballots. And you know what their excuse was? They were probably 50/50 split between Gore and Bush! Ha! Like hell they were. More like 90/10 in favor of Bush. And again, they admitted to this. LOL. You are too funny.

 

[Rearden Metal]

Bush & Dean are unacceptable to me, but I was toying with the idea of voting for Kerry if he were to win the Dem nomination.

Then I saw how much respect he has for our freedoms. This from his website www.johnkerry.com :

"In order to deal with the problem of illegal drugs in this country, efforts must be focused on keeping drugs out of the country and our communities, as well as reducing demand for illegal drugs. John Kerry supports aggressively targeting traffickers and dealers, as well as making a commitment to sufficiently fund drug prevention and treatment programs."

So <b>fuck Kerry</b>. Still gotta vote Libertarian, no matter who the Dems end up nominating.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from MackieMesser:

OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!! AND YES, I'M SHOUTING!!!

This is truly one of the most assinine posts on politics I've ever read in my LIFE. The right OWNS the underhanded, dirty tricks, scummy side of politics. Sheesh. Look at the the unbelieveable crap they pulled during the Clinton administration. For the right, THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, and any means are OK, even if they are destructive of our democracy.

m

Yeah right pal, I guess Newt Gingrich just made up those stories about Whitewater, Rose law firm, dead aides, blow jobs in the Oval Office, lying to grand juries, endless litigation to delay investigations, lying and obstructing justice in a court case where Clinton was the defendant, using the IRS to harrass politicla opponents, illegal campaign contirbutions form Chinese agents, missile secrets and nuke technology mysteriously being turned over to the /chinese, White House "coffees", renting the Lincoln Bedroom for sleepovers, pardons for sale and trash the offices and steal the silver on the way out.

 

[dgabriel]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Yeah right pal, I guess Newt Gingrich just made up those stories about Whitewater, Rose law firm, dead aides, blow jobs in the Oval Office, lying to grand juries, endless litigation to delay investigations, lying and obstructing justice in a court case where Clinton was the defendant, using the IRS to harrass politicla opponents, illegal campaign contirbutions form Chinese agents, missile secrets and nuke technology mysteriously being turned over to the /chinese, White House "coffees", renting the Lincoln Bedroom for sleepovers, pardons for sale and trash the offices and steal the silver on the way out.

True, but the repubs have Halliburton, Ken Lay, and Jerry Falwell.

Blow jobs in the Oval Office bring new meaning to "O" in oval. Did you get a blow job too if you paid the DNC $250k for the Lincoln bedroom?