Where is the recession? Show me ?

Quote from moron28:

Things are actually getting pretty tight now on Wall Street. I am a software vendor to various broker/dealers and asset managers and the slowdown is certainly starting to hurt our bottom line. Mostly from the b/d side. I also know of other vendors dealing with the investment banking side and they got hit pretty hard as well in the last several months because very few new deals are being made, both in equities and fixed income. Half of my Bear Stearns contacts on LinkedIn just updated theirs profiles to unemployed. I hope that this is the last of it, but somehow I'd need to be a real moron to believe that.
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Quote from DHOHHI:

I asked you on 3/27 and then again on 4/2 why you didn't reply to my original post. Your silence says a lot! Keep focused on your "academic" definition of a recession. Others have enough intelligence to see where we're at. And still others may use a different defitition of "recession". Such as:

A significant decline in activity spread across the economy, lasting longer than a few months. It is visible in industrial production, employment, real income and wholesale-retail trade.

Recession is a normal (albeit unpleasant) part of the business cycle. A recession generally lasts from six to 18 months.

Interest rates usually fall in recessionary times to stimulate the economy by offering cheap rates at which to borrow money.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1857821#post1857821

I really find it amusing that people go into denial and hold onto losing positions. Meanwhile traders make $$$$.


There is an economic slow down, but that happens. Feds and the Governement has taken full steps to restore that and the actions are working. We might be half way through this and the stock market is reflecting this in its bullish stand.

People have horded cash into money market accounts and boy they are pissed getting 2.5% returns! Where is that cash going to end up? Take a wild guess..
 
Quote from tradestrong:

I wonder if the president of the National Bureau of Economic Research is "imagining" the recession.

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm not sure if anybody has posted this yet:

Whether the country is officially in recession is determined by the National Bureau of Economic Research, a private nonprofit research organization. The group considers several economic indicators, as well as the severity and duration of a downturn.

The NBER says the most recent recession lasted from March 2001 until November 2001 and that the economy has been in "expansion" since then.

The group typically does not declare a recession for anywhere from 6 to 18 months after its arrival.

On Friday, the NBER's president, Harvard University economist Martin Feldstein, said we are in a recession, though it was not an official NBER declaration.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0803/gallery.economy_overview/

So who should I believe. Some guy on elitetrader, or the president of the organization that is responsible for officially declaring whether we are in a recession or not?



Recession is not a phenomena that arrives like a ghost and we dont know it. You see that in negative numbers in the GDP and know it that now we may have another quarter like this and we are in recession.

But at the same time you have discounted everything that has been done to avoid such an occurrence. Feds have slashed 3.00 Fed funds rates, Treasury Depart & Congress has implemented several tools to combat should that be the possibility. In other words the FIX is in, yet you keep on whimpering when the Lions roar!

Boy you love to get scared about things that have not happened yet.. should you go on a chart tearing spree again, please let me know, I would be very happy to get out of your way.
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Boy you love to get scared about things that have not happened yet.. should you go on a chart tearing spree again, please let me know, I would be very happy to get out of your way.

Scared? Can you not read? You asked for proof of whether we are in a recession or not. I gave you proof directly from the horse's mouth. Where did I express fear of any kind? What is this fear you speak about? I think you've confused rationale with fear. They are two seperate devices. You use your chearleading all you want. But, I gave you the proof that you've been requesting. So I ask you again...do I believe hedgefundtrader2 on elitetrader, or do I believe the guy who is directly responsible for determining whether we are in a recession or not?
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Boy you love to get scared about things that have not happened yet.. should you go on a chart tearing spree again, please let me know, I would be very happy to get out of your way. [/B]

btw...what the hell are you talking about with "chart tearing spree"? Do you have me confused with somebody else? I have no clue what you're implying there.
 
Its OFFICIAL.....Hedgefundtrader2 does not care about ANYTHING but the bull case. He signed up in July 2007 and has been bullish this whole time while the markets went down and down and down. Cleary, anyone who is this blind for this long cannot be taken seriously as having any real idea about what is going on (or what HAS gone on for that matter).

I suggest we ALL (me included) ostracize Hedgefundtrader2 from ET. Let him babble on to himself and himself alone. He doesnt present real arguements and ignores questions that he cannot answer. Basically we all keep wasting our time.

From this point on I will NOT, ever, respond to another one of his posts. I hope we all can do this and maybe, just maybe, the lunatic will leave.
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Recession is not a phenomena that arrives like a ghost and we dont know it. You see that in negative numbers in the GDP and know it that now we may have another quarter like this and we are in recession.

But at the same time you have discounted everything that has been done to avoid such an occurrence. Feds have slashed 3.00 Fed funds rates, Treasury Depart & Congress has implemented several tools to combat should that be the possibility. In other words the FIX is in, yet you keep on whimpering when the Lions roar!

Boy you love to get scared about things that have not happened yet.. should you go on a chart tearing spree again, please let me know, I would be very happy to get out of your way.


What is this some kind of Monster that will eat you alive?

NBER President is full of it. He is contradicting himself. Either you are pregnant or you are not. This is another case of doubts and anecdotes and extrapolations and fears. He sitting on the fence straddling both sides.

Even if there is a recession now, how bad are things?

Things are not bad as they could be even when you say we are in a recession, be grateful to yourself and the country you still have food and water and listening to your IPODS and wearing those Nike's and slurping Starbucks stuffing Pizzas in your face!
 
Who cares !
Does a recession or not affect traders ? It should not. It affects people with salaried jobs. That is why I am a trader !
So we can sell to the depths of the ocean or rally to Pluto. I am happy either way.:)
 
hedgie, you'll never see anything untill you take those blinders off.:D this is my last post arguing with a fool.

bgp
 
Quote from megabucks:

Who cares !
Does a recession or not affect traders ? It should not. It affects people with salaried jobs. That is why I am a trader !
So we can sell to the depths of the ocean or rally to Pluto. I am happy either way.:)


That's a good attitude.


I mean we wasted 3 months being scared and tearing down our charts of SPX, DOW, RUT, NDX, GOOG, BIDU, AAPL, DRYS, AMZN and many other great companies for what?

Recession is coming, Recession is coming... Big bad wolf is coming...Big bad wolf is coming..
 
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