Where do wealth/growth actually come from?

Wealth is not work, Marx thought that and he was wrong. For example, gold does have any 'work in it', and while breaking rocks takes a lot of work hardly anyone will pay you much for it.

Wealth is not absolute or fixed either, it is simply what you and other humans happen to think (value) at the moment about an object or service. Money as a measure of wealth proves this, watch how perceived value of corn changes constantly in the futures market.

Money as a legal agreement on a piece of paper is only as good as a promise. Governments play with this all the time.
 
Quote from Lights:
Wealth & growth comes from rising productivity and a growing slave population.; The master reaps the wealth....
Quote from shortie:
wealth is created by raping and pillaging Mother Earth. as in the above example both fish and wild game were stolen from Nature.
Its a shame that ET cannot figure out who we want on ignore, BEFORE we read it...
 
wealth is created thru the ownership of slaves via debt. they will pay you, produce for you and serve you.

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Welcome to the fucked up world of bubble, debt-based economies.

In such an economy, wealth and growth come from increasing the money supply by various tools of monetary manipulation by the central bank to stimulate consumption and consequently, production. Once that is done, you get a bubble, which is an irrational increase in some thing's price (not value), like houses for example. General instability and someone getting fucked over (the last fool to buy into the bubble) are the hallmark of this system. It's a pyramid scheme.
 
They come from humans. Also only humans perceive wealth and value. It's alot like mass psychology. Gold is logically worthless, yet is is very expensive. That's because people think it worth something. Other people see this and think because these people think its worth something, it must be worth something. Now all humans think its worth something. The masses control the individual.
 
achilles28 wrote

"For instance, imagine a 2 person economy. Both people decide to sleep all day, everyday. Nothing gets produced. No wealth is created. "

Obamanomics at it's core!
 
It is simple, wealth comes from the human perception to solidify the non-existing ego, which is why many richies are miserable and constantly try to justify themselves
 
Peter Schiff has drawn a good analogy. It's worth reading:

Let us suppose six castaways are stranded on a desert island, five Asians and one American. Their problem is hunger. So they sit down and divide labor as follows: One Asian will do the hunting, another will fish, the third will scrounge for vegetation, the fourth will cook dinner, and the fifth will gather firewood and tend the fire. The sixth, the American, is given the job of eating.

So five Asians work all day to feed one American, who spends his day sunning himself on the beach. The American is employed in the equivalent of the service sector, operating a tanning salon that has one customer: himself. At the end of the day, the five Asians present a painstakingly prepared feast to the American, who sits at the head of a special table built by the Asians specifically for this purpose.

Now the American is practical enough to know that if the Asians are going to continue providing banquets they must also be fed, so he allows them just enough scraps from his table to sustain them for the following day's labor.

Modern-day economists would have you look at the situation just described and believe that the American is the lone engine of growth driving the island's economy; that without the American and his ravenous appetite, the Asians on the island would all be unemployed.

THe reality, of course, is that the American is not the engine of growth, but the caboose, and the best thing the Asians could do would be to vote the American off the island--decoupling the caboose from the gravy train. Without the American to consume most of their food, they'd have a lot more to eat themselves. Then the Asians could spend less time working on food-related tasks and devote more time to leisure or to satisfying other needs that now go unfulfilled because so many of their scarce resource are devoted to feeding the American.

Ah, you say, but that analogy is flawed because in the real world the United STates does pay for its "food" and Asians do receive value in exchange for their effort.

Okay, then let's assume the American on the islands pays for his food the same way real-world Americans pay, by issuing IOUs. At the end of each meal, the Asians present the American with a bill, which pays by issuing IOUs claiming to represent payments of food.

The castaways all know that the IOUs can never be collected since the American not only produces no food to back them up, but also lacks the means and the intention of ever providing any. But the Asian accept them anyway, each day adding to the accumulation of worthless IOUs. Are the Asians any better off as a result of this accumulation? Are they any less hungry? Of course not.

Suppose an Asian Central Banker suddenly washes up onto the island and volunteers his services. Now each day the central banker taxes the other Asians on the island by confiscating a portion of the scraps of food the American throws them each day from his table. The central banker then agrees to return these morsels to the other Asians each day, in exchange for each Asian's daily accumulation of the American's IOUs, less a small percentage for himself because he, the central banker, also has to eat.

Does the existence of a central banker change anything? Do the Asians have any more to eat because their own central banker gives them back a portion of the food he took from them in the first place? Do the American IOUs have any more value because they can now be exchanged in this manner? Of course not.

The Asians will be better off without us

The real world lessnon is that if it doesn't make sense for the six make believe Asians to support millions of real-world Americans. The fact that they do so in exchange for worthless IOUs in no way alters this reality.
 
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Wealth is not work, Marx thought that and he was wrong. For example, gold does have any 'work in it', and while breaking rocks takes a lot of work hardly anyone will pay you much for it.

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Yes, it is. People value the outcome or result. Not the process. And to get that outcome or result, work must be done (speculative, or not).

Nobody will pay for a half finished well bore, or a pile of broken rocks. True. But they will pay when the result (oil or gold) is achieved. And work had to be done to realize that deposit.

Work is just the application of effort to produce a valued good or service. More speculative types of work - like mining or inventing - require more failure before the outcome is realized. But that failure (work) is a necessary part of the process to make the good.
 
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