Where do we Invest in 2012 and beyond????

Quote from Bob111:

here is just two titles for articles from today's yahoo-

Caterpillar's CEO warns of economic uncertainty: FT



http://news.yahoo.com/caterpillars-ceo-warns-economic-uncertainty-ft-232211036--sector.html

meanwhile-

S&P 500 holds near 4-year high

http://news.yahoo.com/p-500-holds-near-4-high-083523652--finance.html


go figure...:p

the market isn't really moving.. volatility is low... the market has drifted high... so has the dollar ... with the dark clouds of uncertainty.. i wouldn't have my bets on an explosive move up! haha... plus just cause the vix is at a super low.. doesn't mean anything but stocks have stopped moving! the Drift before the Cliff.. the calm before the storm... its fucking nature at work!
 
Quote from Bob111:

here is just two titles for articles from today's yahoo-

Caterpillar's CEO warns of economic uncertainty: FT



http://news.yahoo.com/caterpillars-ceo-warns-economic-uncertainty-ft-232211036--sector.html

meanwhile-

S&P 500 holds near 4-year high

http://news.yahoo.com/p-500-holds-near-4-high-083523652--finance.html


go figure...:p

Total disconnect between the world's economy and the equity markets. To me, a current doom & gloomer, this smells a lot like the Credit Crisis all over again.
 
Quote from hayman:

Total disconnect between the world's economy and the equity markets. To me, a current doom & gloomer, this smells a lot like the Credit Crisis all over again.

who would know better then Cat... i would guess alot of big guys are power dry and if liquidty drys up and people start ditching it will be a long fall!
 
Quote from cdcaveman:

who would know better then Cat... i would guess alot of big guys are power dry and if liquidty drys up and people start ditching it will be a long fall!

Yeah, tighten your seat belts. Still, in this climate, I don't feel comfortable investing in anything.
 
Quote from hayman:

Yeah, tighten your seat belts. Still, in this climate, I don't feel comfortable investing in anything.

feel ya. i'm in exact same position. lot of cash sitting in various cd,mm's. had good run on muni etf's,but sold most of them this spring
 
Quote from Bob111:

feel ya. i'm in exact same position. lot of cash sitting in various cd,mm's. had good run on muni etf's,but sold most of them this spring

Smart and safe move, Bob. I'm winding out of some 3-4% CD's thru beginning of 2013. Sitting mostly in 1% MM funds now. What to do, what to do.......I guess if nothing is clear cut, better to sit on my hands, and lose a little to inflation.......
 
Quote from Bob111:

feel ya. i'm in exact same position. lot of cash sitting in various cd,mm's. had good run on muni etf's,but sold most of them this spring

Contemplating shorting Crude ETF as a short-term move........total disconnect on price vs. World Economic outlook, IMO.
 
I know this post will get nothing but scorn on this thread, but I'm moving all my cash that is not spoken for in my will (I wish they would let me bet on the over under) to VDIGX on the close today.
 
Why not invest a small portion of money in trading. The risk is that you lose the investment, the reward is that you make 20 - 50% per year.

I think this is conservative, since you are going to lose the majority of your money to inflation right now. However, by taking on a little risk on a small amount of money, you offset inflation.

Now I offer this as advice since you posted your question on "EliteTrader", which is a site about trading.


Quote from hayman:

I am a conservative investor (always have been) and am looking to retire in the next 10 years. Realistically, I will need an ROI of at least 5% per year over the next 10 years on my non-real estate investments to achieve this dream, even assuming today's current rate of inflation.

I am extremely concerned about how to achieve this, without incurring some major risk. My feeling is that the equity markets are out of control and totally disconnected from the domestic and world economic outlooks. The bond markets are at very scary levels (how much lower can interest rates go? Due for a major correction, IMO). Commodities are at scary lofty levels as well. And the world economy is on tenderhooks as well; we're one major European bank failure away from calamity, IMO. Throw in the debt issues, high worldwide unemployment, instability in the Middle East, and I am on high alert. CD's and Money markets pay crap too, and certainly are not keeping up with the rate of inflation.

Here in NY, real inflation (forget this bullshit CPI statistic) is somewhere around 7-8% for me. This due to rampant increases in food, electric utility, home heating oil, health insurance increases, tuition increases, gasoline, local taxes, etc., etc., etc.

So, without incurring major risk that may be unrecoverable in a 10 year time frame, where would you look to invest for the next year, 5 years, 10 years, with an eye out to achieving an average ROI of 5% over this 10 year period? Given my gloom and doom outlook, am I better off investing in a longer-term CD, to just minimize my real loss, and preserve as much capital as possible?

I would greatly appreciate any serious commentary on the above. I really don't know where to invest my money any more.
 
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