Quote from jem:
actually a real liberal... an old time liberal...
would have never force young people to pay into the health care system...
a real liberal would have gone with single payer... a crony socialist and his party would have let themselves be told what to do by insurance companies.
a real liberal would have seen the benefit of removing health care costs for gm and other companies.
a real liberal and not a crony socialist would have tried people for the financial crisis... they would have re passed glass steagall.
they would have let the zombie banks die.
they could have used the bailout money to give every person in america 50 to 100 grand.
a real liberal loves the constitution and would never let the feds trample on individuals rights.
what we have seen was 8 years of bigger federal spending to favor one group of cronies and consolidate power with them followed by 4 years of bigger federal spending to consolidate power in an overlapping group of cronies... while giving out a little free ice cream.
Bush was no conservative and Obama was no liberal... they are the flipside of the same big spending screw the people coin.
How do I know...
look at the cabinets... look at the advisors... bankers from goldman and others banks, soros, buffett, oil men and the carlyle group.
same cronies slightly different approach.
payoff wallstreet...
medicare Part D for the drug companies
obamacare for the health insurance companies.
Whose owns these groups... the bankers.
I tell my kids... the need to own IP be and top athlete or be a banker...
Every year Rollerball looks more like our future.
Quote from AK Forty Seven:
"If there is a silver lining, the federal government would bring in an extra $536 billion in 2013 to use for deficit reduction. About 54 percent of that money would come from ending the Bush-era tax cuts and from new payroll taxes. "

Quote from mrbill:
Oh, come on Tsing, I have no fight with you. You are a smart guy, and I was really sad to read your concerns after the election. I hope you're feeling better now. It Was Just an Election. And, we all know, all politico's are full of crap.
Quote from mrbill:
Really? Gay marriage, the Pill, did you miss the last few months of the news?