When should we leave Iraq?

[CaptainObvious]

Just as I thought....no good reason to stay another day. Whether the question is posed here, or to the pinheads that appear on TV, the answer is the same. silence or spin. You know the spin......the entire middle-east will erupt into chaos, oil will go to 80 bukcs a barrel, we'll lose face and bin laden will be emboldened. So.....that isn't going to happen a year or two from now? Bullshit!
Time to step up. Who volunteers to be the last to die for this crap? Who would like to volunteer their son or daughter, mother or father, friends, anyone? Come on heroes. Step up to the plate!
The only people that have lost face are the gutless wonders that occupy our nations capitol. The troops, once again, did their job the best they could with what they had for support, which was damn little. Lets just admit the country is run by pussies and has been for several decades.
Everyone knows that a real victory will require several hundred thousand troops and killing on a grand scale, with little regard for collateral damage. Ready for that? Just as I thought!!

 

[pattersb]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Someone tell me what would be the difference if we left this weekend, or a year from now? IMO, there will be no real different outcome whether we leave today, or 1,2,3,4,5 years from now. Soon as we're gone, the place goes up for grabs. This shithole and it's people weren't worth the first American we lost. It damn sure isn't worth several hundred/thousand more.

It's a safe bet we'll have troops stationed there for the next 10++ years.

I'll defer to you though, you'd know more about military operations than me, but I'd guess we will have 15-50k there at least until 2025.

It's a bit funny, if not so sad, to witness the far left conjure these delusions of a peaceful world as a result of the peaceniks, umm Democrats, winning the elections. The election results should work to reduce the religious intensity of this fight, which is a very, very good thing. It was encouraging, for a minute, when Al-Qaeda announced it was pleased with the election results, the best way to deal with insane-fanatics is to first calm them down. (Just as likely, they are now more empowered by our show of weakness) Perhaps the Democrats will actually have us joining hands and singing kumbaya

 

[pattersb]

Quote from CaptainObvious:


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Everyone knows that a real victory will require several hundred thousand troops and killing on a grand scale, with little regard for collateral damage. Ready for that? Just as I thought!!

This would require another large-scale attack, far worse than 9-11, which won't occur because the master-minds behind the 9-11 conspiracy are being booted from office left and right.

Although, the planning for 9-11 occured while Bush was still governor of Texas, perhaps McCain already has something in the works.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from pattersb:

It's a safe bet we'll have troops stationed there for the next 10++ years.

I'll defer to you though, you'd know more about military operations than me, but I'd guess we will have 15-50k there at least until 2025.

It's a bit funny, if not so sad, to witness the far left conjure these delusions of a peaceful world as a result of the peaceniks, umm Democrats, winning the elections. The election results should work to reduce the religious intensity of this fight, which is a very, very good thing. It was encouraging, for a minute, when Al-Qaeda announced it was pleased with the election results, the best way to deal with insane-fanatics is to first calm them down. (Just as likely, they are now more empowered by our show of weakness) Perhaps the Democrats will actually have us joining hands and singing kumbaya

You're right, and it's a damn shame. We'll have troops fighting and dieing over there for years to come, with no intent of ever achieving a real victory.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from pattersb:

This would require another large-scale attack, far worse than 9-11, which won't occur because the master-minds behind the 9-11 conspiracy are being booted from office left and right.

Although, the planning for 9-11 occured while Bush was still governor of Texas, perhaps McCain already has something in the works.

Pattersb.....

Try to get over to your cabinet and take your meds. Otherwise dial 911.

 

[pattersb]

Quote from BSAM:

Pattersb.....

Try to get over to your cabinet and take your meds. Otherwise dial 911.

... sarcasm, my friend, sarcasm. Too early in the morning on this Saturday, to come up with anything better.

(remember,when poled, 25%+ of the population believed the government had something to do with 911... And the fricking left screams about "Faux News" deceiving people) http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529780


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A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
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[pattersb]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

You're right, and it's a damn shame. We'll have troops fighting and dieing over there for years to come, with no intent of ever achieving a real victory.

The killing will die down in a few years....

The goal at this point appears to be simply to exhaust the insurgency, unfortunately this requires giving them targets to shoot at, (ie; american troops)

I think the troops will bunker down in the new embassy once constructed, and support the Iraqi military its created. Removing any lingering doubts of whether we are occupiers or liberators, (or maybe this will create more, what the hell do I know?)

Could last until 2100 and beyond ...

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Artie21:

Leave now. Keep 40k troops on a secure base and get the other soldiers out of harm's way. Really, this is a shit pot country and our vesting so much in it is ridiculous.

That way, the US has a footprint there, costs go way down and fewer lives are lost.

George Dickface, Scummy, and Paul Spermer so fucked up the the "reconstruction' it's a lost cause now.

But most Americans are so easily tricked another Bushesqu clown will end up in the White House before 2024

Should have done this six months ago. Republicans would have retained congress.

Bush and his crew are so invested in it, they will never be able to call it quits.

The problem now is their plan is clearly not working, and they don't seem to have a Plan B. It's not moral to keep getting our soldiers killed under those circumstances.

Al Qaeda will spin it as a great victory for them, and they will be right. However, we let their leaders have a sanctuary inside the Pakistan border territories. We don;t want to upset the nuclear applecart that is Pakistan, but at some point that will become unavoidable. Why not wipe out Al Qaeda now, deal with the Pakistani complaints and move on?

 

[claywilk]

I think we should build a base/occupy part of Northern Iraq. Get out of the cities altogether. Ally ourselves with the Israeli Backed Kurds, let the Sunnis and Shiites fight it out in the lower half of the country and strike them in selected areas when factions we dont like gain the upper hand. I think eventually a faction which has the best interests for their country will emerge.

 

[Bitstream]

Quote from pattersb:

The killing will die down in a few years....

The goal at this point appears to be simply to exhaust the insurgency, unfortunately this requires giving them targets to shoot at, (ie; american troops)

I think the troops will bunker down in the new embassy once constructed, and support the Iraqi military its created. Removing any lingering doubts of whether we are occupiers or liberators, (or maybe this will create more, what the hell do I know?)

Could last until 2100 and beyond ...

as long as we are there the bloodshed will only increase. and even if/when we leave sectarian violence aint gonna go away, it's a deep seated heatred driven struggle for power and control. watch out, things are gonna get worse and worse...only good thing is that majority of iraqis welcome the democrats win and if the new leaders get rid of all that tough talkin' and show some respect and understandin' then violence may ease off.