When it comes to crime, Democrats are in danger of being mugged by reality
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Read in detail.No mention of Durham PD stopped receiving funds or received fewer funds than the prior year.You said they were defunded
As my previous post showed,crime increased in the cities with the biggest increase in police funding as well so there is no direct correlation.
This discussion and GWB are a perfect example of how someone takes a premise they "believe" is true, but fail to research it before making blanket, all encompassing statements like 'defunding leads to crime increases.'
His premise fails to consider the definitions of 'defunding,' and doesn't categorize the different types for a proper and fair analysis.
His premise also fails to consider other factors affecting crime rates each year (weather, economy, arrest rates, police calls, etc.), including natural deviations. Additionally, some cops may be emotional due to the calls to defund, and do their jobs less effectively.
Not to mention, as @Tony Stark pointed out ... he was just completely wrong in his example case.
But rather than fall back, he'd rather lose credibility by--in Trump fashion--doubling down, as this young lady did:
His premise fails to consider the definitions of 'defunding,' and doesn't categorize the different types for a proper and fair analysis.
His premise also fails to consider other factors affecting crime rates each year (weather, economy, arrest rates, police calls, etc.), including natural deviations. Additionally, some cops may be emotional due to the calls to defund, and do their jobs less effectively.
Not to mention, as @Tony Stark pointed out ... he was just completely wrong in his example case.
But rather than fall back, he'd rather lose credibility by--in Trump fashion--doubling down, as this young lady did:
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This discussion and GWB are a perfect example of how someone takes a premise they "believe" is true, but fail to research it before making blanket, all encompassing statements like 'defunding leads to crime increases.'
His premise fails to consider the definitions of 'defunding,' and doesn't categorize the different types for a proper and fair analysis.
His premise also fails to consider other factors affecting crime rates each year (weather, economy, arrest rates, police calls, etc.), including natural deviations. Additionally, some cops may be emotional due to the calls to defund, and do their jobs less effectively.
Not to mention, as @Tony Stark pointed out ... he was just completely wrong in his example case.
But rather than fall back, he'd rather lose credibility by--in Trump fashion--doubling down, as this young lady did:
So let me ask — as noted by Durham Council member Middleton — if you make the job of a police officer so miserable by treating them poorly and not giving them raises that a large number of them quit. And then you have over 60 open spots in a police force of 600 or so — isn’t this the exact same as defunding the police?
The purpose of the “Defund the Police” movement was to have less police on the street. Well the Durham progressive city council took action to ensure there are significantly fewer police officers on the street in Durham over the course of 2019, 2020 and 2021.
And as clearly noted - they stopped all police hiring in 2019. Only slightly increased the police budget in 2020 because they were actually forced to hire 6 officers in spring of 2020. In 2021 they took money from the police budget representing the salaries of 15 officers and moved it over to their “violence interrupters” program.
So what is the end result of these changes coupled with the progressive DA who instituted a revolving door no-bail program? The end result has been significantly rising crime over the past three years. New murder and gun violence records. Basically a complete fiasco.
What does this mean for the funding for police locally. Despite the budget being effectively flat — the actual spending went up due to all the overtime required and the need to hire a private security firm to staff the jail, court and other locations. The county had to step in and kick in money for the police overtime and private security when the city failed to fund it. All this means to us is higher taxes for less protection.
So after years of crime in Durham declining from the previous peak in the early 1990s. What led to the significant increases in crime in Durham in 2019, 2020 and 2021? What has changed in Durham? Only the installation of a no-cash bail DA and the reduction in the number of police officers on the street. All the while the city council allowed huge “Defund the Police” text to be painted on the street for months outside the Durham police headquarters so the police would know exactly what the progressive city council thought of them. During these recent years the poverty was reduced in Durham due to government pandemic handouts — so you can’t blame the crime increase on poverty increases. Explain to me what caused the Durham spike in crime over the past three years? When the only change has been a significant reduction in the number of police officers on the street due to “Defund the Police” initiatives and a DA who plays catch & release.
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No. Defunding the police is not equivalent to making personnel decisions about raises and working conditions, etc. Defunding means allocating more funds to public safety and community support. Defunding does not demand that the funds specifically and necessarily come from police payrolls.
As I've already stated, maybe a police force won't buy as many tanks, or as many fancy cars; thereby freeing up funds. Again, you have to look at each particular situation. There is no one size fits all like your narrative calls for.
False. Source?
It's bullshit statements like this that cause readers, on both sides, to not respect you.
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Well then.. our definitions of “Defund the Police” fundamentally do not agree then. Let me say that my definition does not agree with yours, nor will it ever in the future.
Let me note that your definition of “Defund the Police” does not agree with the definition of the Durham City Council members either — one of whom stated - “Any idea to get police off the streets is a good idea”.
The “Defund the Police” movement is not about merely reallocating resources — the primary purpose is to get cops off the street.