He's actually right, you can't let the idiots he so effectively represents be responsibile for anything, they are like spoiled stupid children breaking things, not taking responsibility for their actions and expecting others to fix messes they keep creating. Too bad Bush is still the C-in-C though, there is very little the dems can do because of his stupidity and stubborness.
When are Republicans&warmongers going to take responsibility for the Iraq disaster?
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The dims didn't run on a pullout, cut and run message?
They were elected to do that. If they don't then how can they escape some of the responsibility?
After they gave the enemy the impression we would cut and run then that's what we better do pronto.
If it gets worse over there after we leave then they bear that responsibility also. Sometimes a win isn't really a win.
They are backpedaling on so many things right now they may decide to stay the course. Who can believe them at all.
Bring back the draft.
Now they are looking toward more tax cuts.
Geesh what a mess.
The dims didn't run on a pullout, cut and run message?
No, it's fair to say that they didn't have a unified message except that "stay the course" is not a strategy but no democrat (not even Lamont who lost) ran on a promise of immediate pullout.
They were elected to do that. If they don't then how can they escape some of the responsibility?
They can't pull out, the orders to the troops are given by the commander-in-chief, not by Pelosi, not by Reid. The only thing they can realistically do is cut off Iraq war funds but I think they explicitely stated they were not going to do that. They will certainly put maximum pressure on the white house and hopefully will come up with some kind of a plan but it will still be up to Bush whether to accept it.
If it gets worse over there after we leave then they bear that responsibility also. Sometimes a win isn't really a win.
Define "worse". Worse for our troops, worse for Iraqis, worse for our budget deficit, worse for sunnis, worse for shia? And how do you even compare if you have no idea how bad it would have got if we stayed. You could compare if the situation was stable but it's getting worse every day and you'll never know whether it will be getting worse faster with or without our presence.
They are backpedaling on so many things right now they may decide to stay the course. Who can believe them at all.
They should not, they have not and hopefully they won't. BTW Murtha did not make it, Alcee Hastings will not be nominated, all your bitching was premature. But you're right, we should make sure they deliver what they promised.
Bring back the draft.
This is not the dems' position, is it? You can't blame what one idiot says on the entire party if everyone else diasgrees with him, can you?
They are backpedaling on so many things right now they may decide to stay the course. Who can believe them at all.
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They should not, they have not and hopefully they won't. BTW Murtha did not make it, Alcee Hastings will not be nominated, all your bitching was premature. But you're right, we should make sure they deliver what they promised.
dddooo
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They have not? I already demonstrated how they are backing away from their promise to implement the 9/11 commissions suggestions. Now lets look at ethics again.
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Fridayâs Shock Headline: âFocus of FBI Probe, Mollohan May Oversee FBI Budgetâ
The party of ethics in action:
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV) is under investigation by the FBI. And heâs set to assume a top post which would put him in control of the FBIâs budget. Neat trick, eh?
The FBIâs probing Mollohan for possible violations of the law arising from his sprawling network of favors and money which connects him to good friends via questionable charities, alarmingly successful real estate ventures, and hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarked funds.
The investigation appears to be active and ongoing. Weâre told that the Feds continue to gather information on the guy. Yet the Democrats look poised to make Mollohan the chairman of the panel which controls the purse strings for the entire Justice Department â including the FBI.
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By Nedra Pickler
ASSOCIATED PRESS
9:08 a.m. November 28, 2006
WASHINGTON â Ethics reform, a higher minimum wage and more money for stem cell research are the top items on the Senate agenda next year, incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.
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Again, anyone who voted for a Democrat in the past election is nothing but a patsy.
-- The Ace
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They should not, they have not and hopefully they won't. BTW Murtha did not make it, Alcee Hastings will not be nominated, all your bitching was premature. But you're right, we should make sure they deliver what they promised.
dddooo
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They have not? I already demonstrated how they are backing away from their promise to implement the 9/11 commissions suggestions. Now lets look at ethics again.
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Fridayâs Shock Headline: âFocus of FBI Probe, Mollohan May Oversee FBI Budgetâ
The party of ethics in action:
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV) is under investigation by the FBI. And heâs set to assume a top post which would put him in control of the FBIâs budget. Neat trick, eh?
The FBIâs probing Mollohan for possible violations of the law arising from his sprawling network of favors and money which connects him to good friends via questionable charities, alarmingly successful real estate ventures, and hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarked funds.
The investigation appears to be active and ongoing. Weâre told that the Feds continue to gather information on the guy. Yet the Democrats look poised to make Mollohan the chairman of the panel which controls the purse strings for the entire Justice Department â including the FBI.
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By Nedra Pickler
ASSOCIATED PRESS
9:08 a.m. November 28, 2006
WASHINGTON â Ethics reform, a higher minimum wage and more money for stem cell research are the top items on the Senate agenda next year, incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.
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Again, anyone who voted for a Democrat in the past election is nothing but a patsy.
-- The Ace
Democrats still contesting Florida elections
The Wall Street Journal reports on the election for Katherine Harris's old seat in Florida. Even though the Democrats won big time in the November elections, they're still contesting this election and spreading rumors of election shenanigans without much evidence at all.
Democrats whomped Republicans in last month's midterms, but oddly enough they're still calling in the legal cavalry to contest one of the few races they narrowly lost.
That would be Florida's 13th Congressional District, which runs along the Gulf Coast from just south of Tampa to just north of Fort Myers. The certified winner is Republican Vern Buchanan, who beat Democrat Christine Jennings by fewer than 400 votes out of more than 237,000 cast. Two recounts, which were demanded by Democrats and required by law, have reconfirmed Mr. Buchanan's victory and slightly increased the margin.
Unbowed, the Dems are now suggesting that defective voting machines cost them the race. They point to Sarasota County's 18,000 "undervotes," or incidences where voters cast ballots in other races but not the Buchanan-Jennings contest. Ms. Jennings--along with such liberal partisans as People for the American Way and the American Civil Liberties Union--has filed a lawsuit contesting the results based on "statistical and eyewitness evidence of significant machine malfunctions" in Sarasota's iVotronic touch-screen system.
They want a court to declare Ms. Jennings the winner by--get this--using statistical models to extrapolate that she would have received most of the undervotes. Short of that, they'll settle for nullifying the November results and holding a new election.
They go on to show that this district has a history of undervotes in other elections and that it is a predominantly Republican district so that those undervotes may very well have been GOP voters disgusted with the Republican candidate who had won a contentious primary.
Watch out for how the Democrats deal with this election.
This week, Florida election officials began auditing the voting machines, which is the very thorough and transparent process for determining whether they worked properly on Election Day. There is still no evidence that the machines malfunctioned.
But never mind. Speaker-in-waiting Nancy Pelosi allowed Ms. Jennings to vote in House leadership elections last month, and Democrats could attempt to disallow the Florida certification and vote to seat Ms. Jennings in January unless a new election is granted. Democrats did precisely that in a contested Indiana House race 20 years ago when they last held Congress.
If they can't win with recounts and after the election figures in the county have checked out and certified the election results, they still have one more option of just overruling the results.
Betsy's Page
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Ethics anyone?
The Wall Street Journal reports on the election for Katherine Harris's old seat in Florida. Even though the Democrats won big time in the November elections, they're still contesting this election and spreading rumors of election shenanigans without much evidence at all.
Democrats whomped Republicans in last month's midterms, but oddly enough they're still calling in the legal cavalry to contest one of the few races they narrowly lost.
That would be Florida's 13th Congressional District, which runs along the Gulf Coast from just south of Tampa to just north of Fort Myers. The certified winner is Republican Vern Buchanan, who beat Democrat Christine Jennings by fewer than 400 votes out of more than 237,000 cast. Two recounts, which were demanded by Democrats and required by law, have reconfirmed Mr. Buchanan's victory and slightly increased the margin.
Unbowed, the Dems are now suggesting that defective voting machines cost them the race. They point to Sarasota County's 18,000 "undervotes," or incidences where voters cast ballots in other races but not the Buchanan-Jennings contest. Ms. Jennings--along with such liberal partisans as People for the American Way and the American Civil Liberties Union--has filed a lawsuit contesting the results based on "statistical and eyewitness evidence of significant machine malfunctions" in Sarasota's iVotronic touch-screen system.
They want a court to declare Ms. Jennings the winner by--get this--using statistical models to extrapolate that she would have received most of the undervotes. Short of that, they'll settle for nullifying the November results and holding a new election.
They go on to show that this district has a history of undervotes in other elections and that it is a predominantly Republican district so that those undervotes may very well have been GOP voters disgusted with the Republican candidate who had won a contentious primary.
Watch out for how the Democrats deal with this election.
This week, Florida election officials began auditing the voting machines, which is the very thorough and transparent process for determining whether they worked properly on Election Day. There is still no evidence that the machines malfunctioned.
But never mind. Speaker-in-waiting Nancy Pelosi allowed Ms. Jennings to vote in House leadership elections last month, and Democrats could attempt to disallow the Florida certification and vote to seat Ms. Jennings in January unless a new election is granted. Democrats did precisely that in a contested Indiana House race 20 years ago when they last held Congress.
If they can't win with recounts and after the election figures in the county have checked out and certified the election results, they still have one more option of just overruling the results.
Betsy's Page
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Ethics anyone?
the Dems ... point to Sarasota County's 18,000 "undervotes," or incidences where voters cast ballots in other races but not the Buchanan-Jennings contest.
More than 18,000 voters who showed up at the polls voted in other races but not the Buchanan-Jennings race. That means nearly 13 percent of voters did not vote for either candidate -- a massive undercount compared with other counties, including Manatee, which reported a 2 percent undervote.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/NEWS/611090343
They want a court to declare Ms. Jennings the winner
A lawsuit contesting the results and calling for a new election was filed this morning by Jennings...Several non-partisan Election Integrity groups will be filing suit tomorrow in Florida to call for a re-vote in the election.
http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/4731
This week, Florida election officials began auditing the voting machines... There is still no evidence that the machines malfunctioned.
That test, a simulated election using state elections employees acting as voters, was supposed to help uncover any glitches with the county's electronic touch-screen voting machines. Instead, the Florida Division of Elections spent Wednesday studying the test results -- with limited success. Officials blamed human error for two of the 10 discrepancies in the tallies from the simulated election. But they couldn't explain the others, including five involving the disputed 13th Congressional District race
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061130/NEWS/611300364/1006/SPORTS
Keep trying doubter, keep trying, some day something will stick.
Well.....not so sure about that one. Iraq is Paul and Dick and Donald and George and Condi's responsibility. It always will be, in a sense.
Sure, you could wave a semantic wand and say it's the dems responsibility, now. Exxon Valdez wasn't the cleaning crew's responsibility. The cleaning crew was brought in to clean up the mess, but the spill wasn't their responsibility. Oh, ok... maybe its effects became their responsibility, but of course, at the same time, they weren't, right? The spill itself never 'became' their responsibility.
Now if you had said
'The mess in Iraq is now the dems responsibility',
it may have been slightly more accurate, but even then, it's not - those whose responsibility it is still have a chance to try to clean it up or at least put the cleanup crew in motion.
They should have bailed when they pulled Saddam out of that hole - the Republicans would have been smelling like roses and cruising to a third term.
Interesting that I have asked 10 different backers of the war here on ET what the purpose of this war was. I have yet to get two people to say the same thing in response. A bit different than WWII, wouldn't you say? (With apologies to Pabst, who feels that a Hitler victory wouldn't have been a bad thing).
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The responsibility for the events that happen after 11/8 have to fall on the ones who campaigned and won on a change of direction. I just don't see how you demand a change get one and then deny any responsibility. Of course if it goes well then the dims will want credit but surely not if it goes badly.
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Don't worry, there's plenty sticking you are just in a state of denial when seeing your sacred dims backing away from so many promises and forging ahead with their ethics duplicity.
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December (that's right DECEMBER!) 1, 2006
PELOSI -- IS SHE REALLY THIS OBTUSE?
Don't you just love that word ... obtuse? The dictionary gives us this: "not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull. see Pelosi, Nancy "
Yesterday I told you that Pelosi had condemned the president for saying that Al Qaeda was involved in the insurgency in Iraq. She said that "the 9/11 Commission dismissed that notion a long time ago and I feel sad that the president is resorting to it again."
Now Pelosi made that statement on November 28th. November 28th would be 18 days after November 10th. That's two and one-half weeks. Eighteen days is enough time for even the obtuse Nancy Pelosi (sorry for the redundancy) to absorb the fact that on that date Al Qaeda released a video tape claiming that they had 12,000 fighters working in Iraq. Al Qaeda brags of the number of fighters it has mobilized to battle American troops in Iraq, and Pelosi says she is sad that the president is saying that Al Qaeda has fighters in Iraq.
We should all feel sad that this stupid woman is going to be the new Speaker of the House.
Neal Boortz