When are Republicans&warmongers going to take responsibility for the Iraq disaster?

Quote from version77:

The Iraqi nutjobs are blowing each other up.

The Americans have nothing to do with it.

Would of happened sooner or later anyway.

Like Jack Nicholson would say, "It's no big deal".
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"The Americans have nothing to do with it. "?

Really? So the millions of tons of WMD and ammo deplyed in iraq has missed its targets, and left people and infastructure intact? So no need to rebuild?

Who gains from this instability, has special ops or mossad even been known to do dirty tricks? Google search USS liberty ? Naw.
WE are peaceful and nice, facing evil barbarians. We just want to liberate.
 
Quote from TorontoTrader2:

"The Americans have nothing to do with it. "?

Really? So the millions of tons of WMD and ammo deplyed in iraq has missed its targets, and left people and infastructure intact? So no need to rebuild?

Who gains from this instability, has special ops or mossad even been known to do dirty tricks? Google search USS liberty ? Naw.
WE are peaceful and nice, facing evil barbarians. We just want to liberate.
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While Bush adminstration fucked up big time, Arabs (specifically Iraqis) proved to be comlete idiots once again. What else is new. They could have used this undeserved opportunity to build a decent, free and prosperous country, they chose sectarian violence, absurd resistance, chaos and civil war instead. We will eventually pull out of Iraq, lick our wounds and move on, they will remain morons and medieval savages for generations to come.
 
people do not hate america or americans, they hate our success- they hate wealth if they do not think they are getting a piece of the pie. What is a brainless greedy dictator to do. Hes got 5000 pairs of shoes and his people do not have one pair.

blame america.

When a country starts increasing is GDP and trading with us they generally love america.

When a country is poor or losing it stadard of living they generally hate us.

This even works in Europe.

I have been over there and seen the venom and anti american graffiti on the walls and I have been there and even seen Parisians being nice.

I have seen the same thing in my travels in central america.

it is all about the dollar.
 
Quote from TorontoTrader2:


WE are peaceful and nice, facing evil barbarians. We just want to liberate.
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You are correct with these 2 sentences. The nutjobs over there live and act
like savages. They have been ruled by dictators so long they don't
even have any idea what freedom is.

We went to liberate them from a complete asshole of a dictator.
And the Iraqi's are very,very happy about it.

We thought we could teach them that their religion is insane and
they don't know how to treat women or even themselves with respect.

Unfortunately, they are too savage to learn anything. They will
keep killing themselves (and us too, since we are the evil devils
written about centuries ago in their religious text) no matter what
we do. This was set in stone even before America went to Iraq.

For all those who oppose America, I want you to state which country
you live in all of your posts so we know exactly where you come from
so we know how wonderfull the country you live in is.

(If you have the balls to do it)...:p
 
Quote from man:

IMHO the way the 2000 election took place shows the
problem of republican leaders of that time with democracy as such.
their personal agenda overrules their willingness to execute
democracy. instead of saying: "democracy is the highest value
we have, so let us stand back, suffer another month of uncertainty
altogether and count until we know who had won", they overruled
simply because they had the power to do so.

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It's funny you mention this. I live in a state in the US where the
Democrats had the power to recount 4 times until the Democratic
govenor finally won the race. Even though she lost the first 3 counts.

They were going to "recount" until she won. Why? Because she
held the power whether to do so because of the political position
she held in the state.

I guess this new kind of "voting" isn't all being done by Republicans.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

True.

If the Iraqi people had chosen to behave under U.S. occupation as the West German people did in the late 1940's, Iraq could have <b>become</b> West Germany: Peaceful, prosperous, and modern.

The U.S. certainly screwed up by invading Iraq in the first place- That is an indisputable fact at this point; but the Iraqis are no less at fault for the smoldering disaster area their country has now become.
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it is not the iraqi people it is the INSURGENTS not letting the iraqi people move forward with prosperity and freedom...if outspoken you get killed..how can they move forward?? the Americans cant even control the mayhem how would one expect a father or mother to do so...

look at what happened in New Orleans..... When there is nobody to around make sure the laws are obeyed it becomes chaotic..hence the reason saddam should have stayed and hence the reason We f**ked it up big time. Hell, even our think tanks are suggesting we wont be able to do shit about it...and we are the most powerful nation on earth...get it...we caused this mayhem..
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Do you want to know the future of Baghdad? Look at the chaos, the diverse infighting factions, and the utter devastation of <b>Beirut</b> twenty years ago- and there's your answer.

How does it all end? Again, look at Beirut. Intense fighting raged for six brutal years after Reagan pulled the U.S. troops out of Lebanon in 1984. The city of Beirut was reduced to rubble, all infrastructure destroyed, and most of the people either gone or dead. The civil war finally ends when one side is clearly victorious over the other, as in Lebanon circa 1990. Only then can the long arduous re-building process begin.
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again had we not gone in in the first place it may have still been what it was....a country controlled by one lunatic with an iron fist. as opposed to out of control mayham....to suggest pulling out will cause this even more destruction which it will...is to admit what weve been saying all along...
 
Quote from jem:

people do not hate america or americans, they hate our success- they hate wealth if they do not think they are getting a piece of the pie. What is a brainless greedy dictator to do. Hes got 5000 pairs of shoes and his people do not have one pair.

blame america.

When a country starts increasing is GDP and trading with us they generally love america.

When a country is poor or losing it stadard of living they generally hate us.

This even works in Europe.

I have been over there and seen the venom and anti american graffiti on the walls and I have been there and even seen Parisians being nice.

I have seen the same thing in my travels in central america.

it is all about the dollar.
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I live in Canada, I have a great life everything I want, lots of opportunity. Yet I still hate American FOREIGN POLICY and believe they are a big terrorist.

Most of the world thinks this way.

The IMF and UK, US goes into countries, topples the govt, privatizes public services (like water, power), then rasies the prices to "market prices". So everyone has to work in sweatshops for NKE, WMT, to afford it. That is "democracy" these days. We spread it. We gain. They hate us. Simple.

Uk and US are #1 arms sellers. They sell to every dictator around, who then crushes the local people and allows for western interests to come in. Oldest trick in the book.
Iran-contra or have you forgotten? The US is a major played in the drug trade in that area. That's why the "war on Drugs" has done nothing.



100 years ago America had legalized slavery. Now we simply moved and outsourced it offshore.
 
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