When All Else Fails Blame "Free Markets"

Piezoe is not entirely wrong on this one. Of course the banks provided crap loans to avoid ticking off liberal loud mouths in Congress... but lets take an even deeper look into the demand for CDOs.


the real deal was that China was pegging the dollar so they could sell an incredible amount of crap here and industrialize very quickly. As they were doing this they took in trillions of dollars.

The invisible hand of econcomics says that if they sold the dollars their currency should appreciate and the dollar should go down. But they did not want break the peg... so they had to find someplace for all those dollars. So they buried their dollars where they could...oil. gold and everywhere else. But they still had 1.5 trillion to bury. Again if they sold dollars it would make their goods look more expensive... so wall street made a ridiculously corrupt product for them in exchange for massive short term bonuses for everyone involved. Mortgage broker got to take 3-5 points out.
Wall Street guys to 100s of millions in bonuses out... and yet Warren Buffetts's moodys still pretended these were good loans.

Second loans... the last 20 percent of the loans... without even having customers prove they could pay them back. Prior to the Fed working with China... people who provided second trust deeds would get closing points and 6 extra points of interest for the risk.

Why would China do something so dumb? Because they were given a huge put.
The put was that the FED would change out their mortgages for U.S. treasuries at a later date. So in a short term the party could go crazy and then the FED would have the tax payers stand behind all this crap.

Wall street saw Long term capital management and Neiderhoffer and others get rich selling puts... and so they decided to sell trillions of puts. (mortgages) .

We have paid for the sick game with massive inflation.
The industry was regulated enough. People should have gone jail.
Because the cronies own the democrats and the establishment Rs we have been stuck with a zombie economy and massive inflation... and this will happen again. Next time I will cash in.
 
Or "c", better people.

But given that "good" people have held only a razor-thin edge over "bad" over ten thousand years, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Aye, therein lies the problem for us would be libertarians: how to live with a small government and no central bank in an imperfect world filled with imperfect people and not get taken advantage of, robbed, beaten, mugged, shot, bombed tortured, poisoned or bankrupted, and always remain in good health and have only good luck. :D
 
Aye, therein lies the problem for us would be libertarians: how to live with a small government and no central bank in an imperfect world filled with imperfect people and not get taken advantage of, robbed, beaten, mugged, shot, bombed tortured, poisoned or bankrupted, and always remain in good health and have only good luck. :D

Yep, that's a problem.
 
I'm not following...
I can't blame you for that. I'm not sure I follow it either. I suppose I was alluding to Plato's recognition that there are not just good people, but bad ones too. Wouldn't that make a large, culturally diverse libertarian nation impractical, if not impossible? My thoughts are very well expressed by that John and Belle blog entitled "If Wishes Were Horses, Beggars Would Ride -- A Pony!" that I gave a link to.
 
Luckily for us the the founders thought about this and put together a work of genius.
Americans know this work as the Constitution. Just follow the Constitution.
When it was followed it worked very well for the United States.

Are you a citizen of the United States piezoe? where are you posting form. As a would be libertarian / American you would have known this.

Aye, therein lies the problem for us would be libertarians: how to live with a small government and no central bank in an imperfect world filled with imperfect people and not get taken advantage of, robbed, beaten, mugged, shot, bombed tortured, poisoned or bankrupted, and always remain in good health and have only good luck. :D
 
The U.S. Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported its findings in January 2011. It concluded that "the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve’s failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; an explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels".[30][31]

And Obama got right on that problem and fixed the situation! Ooops, actually his first cabinet had 11 officers with Wall Street backgrounds!

Toxic mortgages were created by legislation btw, started with Jimmy Carter [worst president in modern times] and ended with Obama who fulfilled Jimmy Carter's second term.. except I'm sure it has not ended, Democrats will be back trying to make poor people into middle class ones.. talk about beating dead horses..
 
Luckily for us the the founders thought about this and put together a work of genius.
Americans know this work as the Constitution. Just follow the Constitution.
When it was followed it worked very well for the United States.

Are you a citizen of the United States piezoe? where are you posting form. As a would be libertarian / American you would have known this.

The constitution was a good start but was and is inadequate. To put it mildly.

I have to laugh at all this uncritical worship of the constitution by the right wing nut jobs.
 
And Obama got right on that problem and fixed the situation! Ooops, actually his first cabinet had 11 officers with Wall Street backgrounds!

Toxic mortgages were created by legislation btw, started with Jimmy Carter [worst president in modern times] and ended with Obama who fulfilled Jimmy Carter's second term.. except I'm sure it has not ended, Democrats will be back trying to make poor people into middle class ones.. talk about beating dead horses..



The Volcker Rule was first publicly endorsed by President Obama on January 21, 2010.[12][13] The proposal specifically prohibits a bank or institution that owns a bank from engaging in proprietary trading that is not at the behest of its clients, and from owning or investing in a hedge fund or private equity fund, and also limits the liabilities that the largest banks can hold.[14]
 
Aye, therein lies the problem for us would be libertarians: how to live with a small government and no central bank in an imperfect world filled with imperfect people and not get taken advantage of, robbed, beaten, mugged, shot, bombed tortured, poisoned or bankrupted, and always remain in good health and have only good luck. :D

Piezoe,
You are not a would be libertarian if you believe we live in a perfect world. The idea isn't that there's no theft and bad people around. The idea is that giving the government the monopoly in violence is what gets one the worst deal, where choices are limited and one cannot escape voluntarily using their services.

Private security firms can handle the protection business. Malls and societies can come together to voluntarily pay for competing firms to provide security. Unlike the government provided security, now there's a competition between security firms. Not only do they have to provide security, but have to get it done with least force, as the using excessive force can have a negative impact on their reputation if the competitor is doing it better.

The money that was given to taxes is more efficiently and voluntarily given to firms and insurance companies instead that have better reputation.
Insurance firms become a key in this environment where to get insurance for property, they raise premiums if an approved firm isn't in charge of the security. They don't want to have to pay someone for damage to their property or person if they can avoid it.

That's just an example where security is provided with no government. If you are asking the obvious question, that what is prevent these firms from becoming the local governments you need more detailed reading. You may also realize that providing security in Canada as an example in a lot easier than providing it in certain areas in the USA. What means is that a group of people could be less inclined to violence as compared to another group. Similarly if one is living amongst those who are libertarians, their motto of Non Aggression Principle (NAP) would imply there's less threat to violence and lesser need of protection.

Yes, you'll ask what if an external force joins hands and attempts to conquer those who don't like violence. I would suggest you may like to read Chaos Theory by Murphy if you are seriously interested. I have a feeling you really haven't read enough about the libertarian part even though you quote Plato, who philosophically was more of a socialist and a central control kind of guy.

Have a good day.

Gringo
 
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