What's The REAL Reason We Even HAVE A Fed?

[gnome]

Quote from Joab:

gnome,

As much as we bitch it's here to stay

It always amazes me how some people get belligerent over the web... like a school kid calling someone a name [a stranger, even] over the phone.

Oops.. I thought you meant RhinoGG was a bitch... guess I read that too fast.

Yes, I'm afraid the Fed is here to stay. And between it and the Gummint, the future looks dire for those 40 and younger.

 

[plyka]

Quote from efficiency:

4600 posts, huh? That dwarfs me. 10 to 1 . I wonder IF your capital does?

Thee official reason for the inception of the Fed in 1913 (believe the same year J,P. Morgan died) is 1. Full employment. 2. Stable prices.


Eh...........roughly 5% ( of those actively seeking) is considered "full". As for stable prices, they've failed miserably. The Hershey bar makes for a great example. Maintained at a nickel (those size changed at times) until 1969. Tenfold since then.

The real reason for the Fed is to buffer booms and busts. 1907, 1893 two examples prior. In busts, their was no confidence in paper money (National Bank Notes) and hoarding of Gold and Silver (or gold/silver certificates reedeemable in the metal). William Jennings Bryan ran on a silver platform in 1894.

Without confidence, commerce grinds to a halt. Internal isolationism. Hence backed by the full faith and credit of the US govt. That's all a buck (Federal Reserve Note) is. Slip of paper.

Screwing with the money. Broad generic term. Did you mean the multiplier effect of credit expansion or something more brief and reversable such as open market operations. Dutch auctions for T-Bills? That T-bills are 98% levgeragable? Eliminating silver coinage in 1965 (1971 for the half dollar) for clad? Specify.

Rates are STILL at a generational low, and the discount rate is moral suasion.

You might be MORE concerned about how the govt (not just the Fed) changes horses in the middle of the stream and/or spends money like a drunken sailor.

 

[myminitrading]

Quote from efficiency:

4600 posts, huh? That dwarfs me. 10 to 1 . I wonder IF your capital does?

Thee official reason for the inception of the Fed in 1913 (believe the same year J,P. Morgan died) is 1. Full employment. 2. Stable prices.


Eh...........roughly 5% ( of those actively seeking) is considered "full". As for stable prices, they've failed miserably. The Hershey bar makes for a great example. Maintained at a nickel (those size changed at times) until 1969. Tenfold since then.

The real reason for the Fed is to buffer booms and busts. 1907, 1893 two examples prior. In busts, their was no confidence in paper money (National Bank Notes) and hoarding of Gold and Silver (or gold/silver certificates reedeemable in the metal). William Jennings Bryan ran on a silver platform in 1894.

Without confidence, commerce grinds to a halt. Internal isolationism. Hence backed by the full faith and credit of the US govt. That's all a buck (Federal Reserve Note) is. Slip of paper.

Screwing with the money. Broad generic term. Did you mean the multiplier effect of credit expansion or something more brief and reversable such as open market operations. Dutch auctions for T-Bills? That T-bills are 98% levgeragable? Eliminating silver coinage in 1965 (1971 for the half dollar) for clad? Specify.

Rates are STILL at a generational low, and the discount rate is moral suasion.

You might be MORE concerned about how the govt (not just the Fed) changes horses in the middle of the stream and/or spends money like a drunken sailor.

You left out the fact the Federal Reserve is a private corporation that charges interest on the money it loans tO the government.

Note the money is created out of thin air.

The interest on the loans are paid by the public in the form of personal income tax. Now if that ain't the biggest all time scam I don't know what is.

 

[myminitrading]

Here is what you can do the make the system work in your favor.

Make lager camping contributions to the correct state officials, set up a bank charter. Pay an interest on deposits a little higher than everyone else.


Now you are set to operate in the fraction reserve baking system. that means you can loan out at interest ten times what you have on deposit.

Joe six pack deposits his check for $2000.00, you can now loan out $20,000. at interest. Man what a racket that is.

 

[Epiphany]

Quote from efficiency:

The real reason for the Fed is to buffer booms and busts. 1907, 1893 two examples prior. In busts, their was no confidence in paper money (National Bank Notes) and hoarding of Gold and Silver (or gold/silver certificates reedeemable in the metal). William Jennings Bryan ran on a silver platform in 1894.

If the Fed is SUPPOSED to buffer booms and busts, they've sure been doing a damn shitting job of it. The whole point of the Fed is to EXACERBATE booms and busts - so certain individuals can profit - the 'who' and the 'how' I leave it up to you to figure out

Quote from efficiency:

You might be MORE concerned about how the govt (not just the Fed) changes horses in the middle of the stream and/or spends money like a drunken sailor. [/B]

If there was no Fed, gov spending would be limited to 1) the amount of tax revenue 2) and any bonds they are able to convince the public to buy

With the Fed in existence, gov can float unlimited # of bonds cause Fed is the automatic buyer (using money Fed printed out of thin air)



Gnome - don't bother explaining this, if they haven't gotten it by now...they just ain't getting it

 

[telozo]

Quote from myminitrading:

Here is what you can do the make the system work in your favor.

Make lager camping contributions to the correct state officials, set up a bank charter. Pay an interest on deposits a little higher than everyone else.


Now you are set to operate in the fraction reserve baking system. that means you can loan out at interest ten times what you have on deposit.

Joe six pack deposits his check for $2000.00, you can now loan out $20,000. at interest. Man what a racket that is.

It doesn't really work quite that way. The guy who got the loan will use the money in a way, either pay for something, or deposit it with some other bank. Either way, your checks will come back to you for clearance before you get any interest payment on the money, and you will have to make good for them using your reserves or borrow from the fed.

 

[myminitrading]

Quote from telozo:

It doesn't really work quite that way. The guy who got the loan will use the money in a way, either pay for something, or deposit it with some other bank. Either way, your checks will come back to you for clearance before you get any interest payment on the money, and you will have to make good for them using your reserves or borrow from the fed.

That is the fractional reserve banking system. Yes its more complicated than what I posted. But it all boils down to managing your risk.

 

[myminitrading]

Quote from myminitrading:

That is the fractional reserve banking system. Yes its more complicated than what I posted. But it all boils down to managing your risk.

And when you have the ability to use the 10x factor it sure helps in minimizing that risk.

 

[RhinoGG]

Quote from myminitrading:

Here is what you can do the make the system work in your favor.

Make lager camping contributions to the correct state officials, set up a bank charter. Pay an interest on deposits a little higher than everyone else.


Now you are set to operate in the fraction reserve baking system. that means you can loan out at interest ten times what you have on deposit.

Joe six pack deposits his check for $2000.00, you can now loan out $20,000. at interest. Man what a racket that is.

Perhaps you can then use that interest income to buy some vagisil for your mangina.

 

[myminitrading]

Quote from RhinoGG:

Perhaps you can then use that interest income to buy some vagisil for your mangina.

Gee your real funny. and yes you right interest on free cash sucks. Stock market suck, housing sucks. All thanks to the chicken shit fed.