What's the difference between a government and terrorist?

[PiggyBank]

Quote from Tresor:

If you are a knowledgable person you know that it is smoking that causes cancer. But the are people in the world who think that lung cancer causes smoking cigarettes.

1) If you are a knowledgable person you know that it's US military and secret service actions that has radicalized Islam since 1947. But there are people in the world who think that US wages wars now against Muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa because 2) Islam is radical.

3) If you are a logical person you know that in order to bring Islam to its pre-1947 state you must cut the primary cause of Islam radicalization, i.e. American foreign (and therefore military) policy in the region. And the policy has not been ''bring democracy in ME'' as you might have been misinformed by FOX or CNN. The policy has been ''destroy democracy''.

There would have been no 9/11 if your foreign policy had been different:

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There would not have been the crotch bomber if the US had not aided local oppresive regime in fighting against pro-democratic opposition in Yemen: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17402

4) In fact the US is not fighting against radical Islam. 5) US is fighting against democracy and liberties, which of course radicalizes Muslims.

And then radicalized Muslims are sold in the US media as the reason for US interventions.

6) And these interventions radicalize Muslims even further.

Vicious circle.

1) That is propaganda from whatever BS you read and choose to believe. It is a well known fact that there were muslims in the nazi ranks during WWII, under grand mufti khomeini. That is before 1947 and I think its obvious they are radical. BTW the secret service protects the President, I think u mean the CIA.

2) Never said that ALL of islam is radical, I said that we are at war with RADICAL islam, see the difference?

3) Ever hear of Occam's Razor? The primary reason we are there is because of 9/11. Any other objective (i.e. spreading democracy, oil etc) is secondary or not even a factor. U can cite all the conspiracy theories and propaganda that u want I am not going to argue about it.

I can understand that there are ME countries that don't want us interfering with their way of life, but they can take that up with thier OWN govts, without mass murdering US CIVILIANS. Let them suicide bomb their own leadership.

4) In fact the US is fighting against radical islam. fixed.

5) I am not judging the Muslim way of life, but don't confuse it with democracy.

6) Oh well, Guess the violence will have to continue then. If you thought that we were just going to let u blow up our buildings and then apologize for our involvement in the ME, you are fucking retarded.

 

[Tresor]

I cant believe people can be as misinformed / brainowashed as you are:

Quote from PiggyBank:

1) That is propaganda from whatever BS you read and choose to believe. It is a well known fact that there were muslims in the nazi ranks during WWII, under grand mufti khomeini. That is before 1947 and I think its obvious they are radical.

It is a well known fact that 150,000 Jews sided with Hitler and server in his Wehrmacht during WWII. It is a well know fact that several tens of them were high-rank generals. Does it mean Judaism is radical because of this?

It is a well known fact that Germans started WWII. As if you didn't know Germans are Christians. Is Christianity, according to your logic, radical then?

Japanese were Germany's allies during WWII. Mostly Buddhists and Shintoists. Are because of Japanese involvement in WWII Buddhism and Shintoisms radical???

Fuck. How can anybody be as brainwashed and history-ignorant as you

Quote from PiggyBank:

2) Never said that ALL of islam is radical, I said that we are at war with RADICAL islam, see the difference?

It is your wars and covert operations that make them radical. Cause and effect.

You overthrow democratic governments in this region and you get radicalized Isalm. Simple: cause and effect.

You smashed democracy in Iran in 1953 (operation Ajax) in result you get anti-American sentiment in Iran.

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3) Ever hear of Occam's Razor? The primary reason we are there is because of 9/11. Any other objective (i.e. spreading democracy, oil etc) is secondary or not even a factor. U can cite all the conspiracy theories and propaganda that u want I am not going to argue about it.

Fuck, again. Of the 19 alledged terrorists 14 or 15 were Saudis, and you Morons bombed Iraq... although Saddam had no links with Al-Kaida. Of course he was a bad guy, but you killed several times more people than 100 Saddams could ever kill.

1.3 million Iraqis are dead because of causes attributable to this war.

And you dare to say ''U can cite all the conspiracy theories and propaganda that u want I am not going to argue about it''. You are a brainwashed idiot.

Quote from PiggyBank:

4) In fact the US is fighting against radical islam. fixed

No, in fact you are fighting women, children and peasants.

Plus you fight some radical Morons who wear towels on their heads, ride camels and shoot from 50 year old Kalashnikovs. And these Morons would have never gained any significant support among ordinary people if it weren't for your invasions and killing of civilians.

And you and your foreign policy killed at least 6 million people after WWII. Here is a lecture by John Stockwell (former CIA's officer) that you might find illuminating your ignorance:

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Quote from PiggyBank:

5) I am not judging the Muslim way of life, but don't confuse it with democracy.

Rest assured I avoid being confused.

Quote from PiggyBank:

6) Oh well, Guess the violence will have to continue then.

You are a typical stupid blood-thirsty American.

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Quote from PiggyBank:

If you thought that we were just going to let u blow up our buildings and then apologize for our involvement in the ME, you are fucking retarded.

I think you have been dropped on the head on the day I were born. Your buildings are being blown up because your government refuses to accept a simple logic that is available to a 5 year old child:

if you kill 6,000,000 innocent people the world over, you can expect that someone from time to time is going to retaliate using your methods and will blow a building or two with innocent 3,000 people.

What you suggest is: let the US kill another 6,000,000 people and see another of our buildings being blown up. You are a fucking retard.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from Tresor:

I cant believe people can be as misinformed / brainowashed as you are:



1) It is a well known fact that 150,000 Jews sided with Hitler and server in his Wehrmacht during WWII. It is a well know fact that several tens of them were high-rank generals. Does it mean Judaism is radical because of this?

It is a well known fact that Germans started WWII. As if you didn't know Germans are Christians. Is Christianity, according to your logic, radical then?

Japanese were Germany's allies during WWII. Mostly Buddhists and Shintoists. Are because of Japanese involvement in WWII Buddhism and Shintoisms radical???

Fuck. How can anybody be as brainwashed and history-ignorant as you




2) It is your wars and covert operations that make them radical. Cause and effect.

You overthrow democratic governments in this region and you get radicalized Isalm. Simple: cause and effect.

You smashed democracy in Iran in 1953 (operation Ajax) in result you get anti-American sentiment in Iran.



Fuck, again. Of the 19 alledged terrorists 14 or 15 were Saudis, and you Morons bombed Iraq... although Saddam had no links with Al-Kaida. Of course he was a bad guy, but you killed several times more people than 100 Saddams could ever kill.

4)1.3 million Iraqis are dead because of causes attributable to this war.

And you dare to say ''U can cite all the conspiracy theories and propaganda that u want I am not going to argue about it''. You are a brainwashed idiot.



5) No, in fact you are fighting women, children and peasants.

Plus you fight some radical Morons who wear towels on their heads, ride camels and shoot from 50 year old Kalashnikovs. And these Morons would have never gained any significant support among ordinary people if it weren't for your invasions and killing of civilians.

And you and your foreign policy killed at least 6 million people after WWII. Here is a lecture by John Stockwell (former CIA's officer) that you might find illuminating your ignorance:

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6) Rest assured I avoid being confused.




You are a typical stupid blood-thirsty American.

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I think you have been dropped on the head on the day I were born. Your buildings are being blown up because your government refuses to accept a simple logic that is available to a 5 year old child:

if you kill 3) 6,000,000 innocent people the world over, you can expect that someone from time to time is going to retaliate using your methods and will blow a building or two with innocent 3,000 people.

What you suggest is: let the US kill another 6,000,000 people and see another of our buildings being blown up. You are a fucking retard.

Might be the worst post I've ever seen... seriously. It really doesn't dignify a response but I'll half ass it.

1) Why don't u tell me the holocaust never happened either. More importantly you missed the whole point: there were radical muslims during WWII, that doesn't make all of Islam radical, but joining the nazi ranks makes those INDIVIDUALS radical, and is cited by some historians as the beginning of the modern radical islam sect.

There are extremists/radicals in every religion, your pitiful attempt at logic, that these INDIVIDUALS make the entire religion radical, is obviously wrong.

2) Why don't we just take it back to the crusades then? Both sides of a war have usually wronged eachother, rarely is it one sided. Bottom lline: radical muslims mass murdered our civilians on 9/11 now we are killing them off in the ME.

Why is that ok, because they have no country and govts in the middle east are to inept or corrupt to deal with the problem (or they are radical themselves.)

3) Where the fuck did u get this bullshit idea from?

4) And this number?

5) Lol u are are a retard, how do u even type?

6) your head is way up your ass

And if u don't mind I would let to know where u are from and were educated, just so I have some perpective on that nation(s). Cause this is insane propaganda.

 

[Tresor]

Quote from PiggyBank:

Why don't u tell me the holocaust never happened either.

Typical American brainwashed idiot. When faced with inconvenient truths about the terror his country unleashes on this planet he brings out Holocoust. Stupid cunt!

Let us educate the stupid cunt then.

This is where US ''promoted peace and liberty'' through bombings:

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1969-70
Grenada 1983
Liban 1983-84
Libia 1986
Salvador 1980.
Nicaragua 1980.
Iran 1987
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991
Somalia 1993
Bosnia 1994-95
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998, 2001
Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 2003 - now
Afghanistan - now


This is where US ''brought democracy'' through overthrowing demrocratically elected governments:
Iran 1953
Gwatemala 1953
Gujana 1953-64
Iraq 1963
Laos 1958-60 - hundreds of thousands killed
Congo 1961
Brasil 1964
Dominicana 1965
Indonesia 1965 - 500 - 700 thousand killed
Chile 1973 - 3 thousand killed
Bolivia 1964
Chad 1982 - several thousand people killed
Fiji 1987
Panama 1989 - several thousand killed


This is how US ''protects human rights'' through supporting bloody regimes, massacres and death squads:
Greece 1949-64
Philipines 1953-90.
Guatemala 1953-90. - 200,000 death toll
Cambodia 1970.
Thailand 1965-73
Congo (Zaire) 1977-78
Brasil 1964-79
Philipines 1970.-90.
South Korea 1980 - (Gwangju massacre -1 thousand killed)
Salvador 1980-92 - 75 thousand civilians killed
Haiti 1987-94
Peru since 1990
Mexico since 1990
Yemen - now

The above lists qualify US to be called the biggest terrorist country in the world.

 

[PiggyBank]

Tresor,

Let's talk about having it both ways. When Liberia was at civil war right after Iraq started, there was media bashing that we (the US) took too long to respond. When Haiti gets devestated by an earthquake AMERICAN TROOPS are sent to clean up the mess (and they shouldn't be), by Haiti's own request, and then u have Haitians bitching about it. We also contribute more money worldwide than any other nation (shouldn't do that either).

If nations want US aid then they should not attempt to undermine us, that doesn't mean that they have to be like us or do what we tell them to do, but if they want our help then they need to NOT interfere when we do what we have to do, which in this case is wiping out the Jihadis.

I don't want the US to be the world police either, cause we get NO respect or credit for it, so fuck 'em. That also means I don't want a penny of my taxes going to another fucking country (unless they are MILITARY allies), not one fucking penny, let's see how the world likes that.

You are a radical propaganda machine. I hope that u don't live in the US. If unfortunately u do, then you should get the fuck out.

 

[Tresor]

Quote from PiggyBank:
When Liberia was at civil war right after Iraq started, there was media bashing that we (the US) took too long to respond.

Of course your media will bitch about this. Your media is owned and controlled by the same capital that owns military complex that profits from weapons' sale to US government (e.g. GE). The more wars the more happy the owners of the media are.

Quote from PiggyBank:
When Haiti gets devestated by an earthquake AMERICAN TROOPS are sent to clean up the mess (and they shouldn't be), by Haiti's own request, and then u have Haitians bitching about it.

They asked for humanitarian aid like portable hospitals. They didn't ask for military forces and baby stealers.

Quote from PiggyBank:
We also contribute more money worldwide than any other nation (shouldn't do that either).

You mostly contibute to Israel. That's where your aid goes.

Quote from PiggyBank:
If nations want US aid then they should not attempt to undermine us, that doesn't mean that they have to be like us or do what we tell them to do, but if they want our help then they need to NOT interfere when we do what we have to do, which in this case is wiping out the Jihadis.

Only Israel is happy with your aid. Nobody else wants anything from you, as there are no free lunches.

Quote from PiggyBank:
I don't want the US to be the world police either.

You are not the world police. You are the world thug. Please cease to be world police / world thug.

Quote from PiggyBank:
You are a radical propaganda machine. I hope that u don't live in the US. If unfortunately u do, then you should get the fuck out.

I live in an EU member state which is unfortunately a NATO member too.

Unfortunately my taxes are not used to promote culture, sport and technology. My taxes are used to kill peasants in the third world. Babies, women. Fuck!

Citizens of these poor countries no longer look for my country on the map to find out where their loved actress or singer of football player comes from or from where comes a surgeon who saved their life or an engineer who built a water pipe system.

Citizens of these poor countries look for my country on the map to find out where the morons who killed their family come from! Some of these citizens of these devastaed countries want to retaliate and look for my county on the map to find a place suitable for placing a bomb.

This pisses me of

But is seems you are rather satisfied with people looking for your country on the map to place a bomb. Typical stupid brainwashed American.

 

[PiggyBank]

^ whatever nazi boy, you have absolutely no idea WTF your talking about. Hopefully your really young and think u know things, then you'll get a little older and grow the fuck up before u do something really stupid...