what's the deal with collective2?

Quote from rolextrader:

Many people have asked C2 to publish the number of active subscribers to the system profiles, but that has fallen on deaf ears. I don't know why.
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It is really simple:

1. It should be/is up to the vendor to decide if he wants to publish this number or not. If they want to, they can post it in their forum. Otherwise it is not our business.

2. Systems shouldn't be choosen just by popularity, but according to its profile fitting your needs.

3. The number actually fluctuates wildly, and people would draw the wrong conclusion by looking at them jumping up and down in a short period of time.


Good developers earn between $10,000 and $15,000 per month. The very best (a handful) earn over $20,000 per month.

You just simply CAN NOT know, since you don't know the # of subscribers... :)
 
Quote from Pekelo:


Good developers earn between $10,000 and $15,000 per month. The very best (a handful) earn over $20,000 per month.

You just simply CAN NOT know, since you don't know the # of subscribers... :)
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This came from the horse's mouth so to speak.
 
Quote from rolextrader:

YW.

Many people have asked C2 to publish the number of active subscribers to the system profiles, but that has fallen on deaf ears. I don't know why.

Good developers earn between $10,000 and $15,000 per month. The very best (a handful) earn over $20,000 per month.

Look, you have nothing to lose by trying C2 for a few trades and comparing your results with their posts. I understand TradeStation reports accurate fills, but I'm not speaking from experience. Best to email Matthew and ask him if there is any way to get your actual fills reported.

FuturesTruth is a top flight outfit but I don't know if a discretionary method would work under their guidelines. They are geared to automated trading systems.
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Thanks for some good insight and info.
 
I have recently started posting trades on Collective2 with 2 systems. I'm not going to identify them now at the the risk of being self serving and promotional. However, in 3 months or so, I will regardless of my performance.

Despite the reporting errors on C2 with Ninja, I am not going to change my modus operandi to accomodate C2's shortcomings and "dress up" the numbers. In other words, I will continue to use Ninja for my live account and I'll let the chips fall where they will as far as C2 is concerned, the slippage and bad reported fills notwithstanding. In my opinion, what one sees on C2 for my systems is an absolute worst case scenario that could be achieved if one is autotrading these systems; in efffect, the baseline for hypothetical results.

Stay tuned.
 
Quote from Random.Capital:

There was at least one former ET regular who claimed in private conversations to have found a way to game collective2. Whether that was actually true or not, I do not know.
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Yeah, he did. And was thoroughly reprimanded by Matt.
 
Quote from dtrader98:

Not that I'm defending them or anything (In fact, I'd really like to see a sampling distribution of the 7,000+ systems)
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Skewed to the right. You can see the APD distribution, and let that be your guide when you form the percentiles.
 
Quote from fluttrader:

Hard to believe that C2 will fix the price everytime you report it as incorrect
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I've never had them report a fill I couldn't verify from a 3rd party time and sales list.
 
Quote from rolextrader:



The only way for you to learn if the system is live or Sim is to contact the developer. Some developers do explain in the system description whther the fills are live or Sim, but these are the rare ones, so it's safe to assume most of the systems are trading Sim.
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You got it, but it gets to a bigger point that we also have absolutely no way to change our recommendations.
 
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