Exactly. Thank you.
Whats going on with all these people ready to give up their rights?
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Are you purposely ignoring the hospitalization? How many non-underlying health issue people are still required to go to the hospital and maybe be on a respirator?
I think you just don't get it and maybe being obtuse on purpose to troll for reactions.
Maybe you should visit the NYC hospital with 37,000 cases and 1,200 dead. It is not the 1,200 that is causing the panic, it is the 37,000 cases and maybe 10,000 - 12,000 cases and growing that are requiring hospital space that no longer exists which can make the 1,200 grow pretty quickly. There are plenty of people dying without ANY underlying health issues and that number is growing.
Sure, even if this was remotely true (which it is proven it is not) are you willing to risk 1/6-1/10 of the population to be at extremely high risk of death?
Nearly 54 Million Americans Have Pre-Existing Conditions That Would Make Them Uninsurable in the Individual Market without the ACA
(https://www.kff.org/health-reform/p...ble-in-the-individual-market-without-the-aca/)
Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
(https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/...early-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show)
Nearly 37 million Americans live with a chronic lung disease like asthma and COPD, which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Through education and support programs for those living with a lung disease, their caregivers and those that love them, the American Lung Association is continually working to reduce the burden of living with a lung disease.
(https://www.lung.org/about-us/mission-impact-and-history/our-impact)
Nearly 54 Million Americans Have Pre-Existing Conditions That Would Make Them Uninsurable in the Individual Market without the ACA
(https://www.kff.org/health-reform/p...ble-in-the-individual-market-without-the-aca/)
Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
(https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/...early-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show)
Nearly 37 million Americans live with a chronic lung disease like asthma and COPD, which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Through education and support programs for those living with a lung disease, their caregivers and those that love them, the American Lung Association is continually working to reduce the burden of living with a lung disease.
(https://www.lung.org/about-us/mission-impact-and-history/our-impact)
Not exactly...
a cancer patient going out in the world is not spreading their cancer to hundreds of people so it is a false analogy that you agreed to 100% showing your lack of understanding of the issue.
A cancer patient stays home to protect themselves.
All of you need to stay home to protect everyone else and the medical staff and hospitals.
I challenge any of you brave couch heroes to go to NYC hospital or Lousiana or Md or Michigan and walk into the hospital and see what is going on.
There are plenty of interview on line with medical staff from various hospitals describing the conditions,,, unless you think all of them are part of one big conspiracy.
And here are the difficult questions? How many of those 37K cases actually need to be hospitalized? How many showing up for testing are showing symptoms severe enough to warrant testing? How do we manage that? If we're going to take drastic measures in other areas then we need to take those same type measures regulating these issues. Yes, mistakes will be made. Life and death decisions will be put upon people who perhaps don't want that responsibility. None the less these decisions must be made or the system will collapse and that will happen in less than two weeks if we don't properly manage who gets hospitalized and/or tested.
Your last point is a lie. I saw the numbers today out of NYC. Death rates for otherwise healthy persons - OF ALL AGES - is nearly zero. What ? 10 ppl? This isn't an old persons disease. Its a sick persons disease.
The truth is, we're all getting this virus, at some point. The nearest vaccine is 18 months away. Shall we all "shelter in place" for the next 18 months and bankrupt every last business, corporation and taxpayer, in the process? Put the Constitution through the shredder to save 1 million Americans? Did we do that for WW2? WW1? The Spainish Flu? No No No.
I'll meet you halfway. We sit at home for another month, build out HC capacity, then those of us who choose not to self-isolate, go about our daily lives. You're making a capacity argument only. If HC capacity exists, then its back to our daily lives. Immuno-comprised Americans should self-isolate until an effective vaccine hits the market. It's not rocket science. We're not going into a total societal breakdown scenario cause the sickies are paranoid and demand everyone stay at home. I'm sorry you've got underlying conditions (as do my parents), but playing this Road Warrior game for months on end, doesn't fly. Theyre already talking riots and looting fomenting in Italy. MANY MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE FROM STARVATION AND LOOTING AND SOCIAL BREAKDOWN THEN THE VIRUS ITSELF.
Cure will not be worse then the disease. What goes around comes around. Just as the healthy are now taking massive financial pain for the sick folk, the sick folk will have to take some pain for the healthy, once its reasonable to do so. Nobody is flushing our way of life down the drain for the Wuflu.
I saw the numbers from NYC. It's true.
Dude, your numbers are garbage. Look at NYC. How many deaths? A few thousand with underlying conditions? Out of a city with what? 3 million ppl with underlying conditions? Do the math. Figure out what ur denominator is first. Only a fraction of those sick ppl who contract WuFlu will die from it.
Just because nearly all Wu-Flu deaths are people with pre-existing illness, doesn't mean EVERY PERSON WITH PRE-EXISTING ILLNESS WILL DIE OF WU-FLU. In fact, going by NYC numbers, its totally opposite !!
Drastic but true. At some point dead, dying and collapsing hospitals be damned, the restart button needs to be hit, otherwise the whole place goes down the shitter. We have 3, maybe 4 weeks tops to make the choice, or it's all moot at that point. Down we go.
Your problems and fears shouldn't be someone elses problems. I can use your argument for anything.
You shouldn't be allowed to drive because it puts me at risk from being run over by you.
You shouldn't be allowed to sell me soda and hamburgers because it puts me at risk for obesity.
You shouldn't be allowed to smoke because it puts me at risk for lung cancer.
Why are these thing socially acceptable?
If you don't want to get infected, YOU stay home.
That said, I do practice social distancing and even go so far as to wear gloves and a face mask when I go out which I'll tell you is a lot more than most of the people are doing. I'm absolutely for everyone staying home until this is over, but I draw the line at jailing people who don't.