What?

[dbphoenix]

So, while you are correct that TGregg's speech is protected by Freedom of Speech, the bigger issue for Baron would be Civil Liabilities. Hence, one cannot necessarily, in a private forum, say whatever they choose to say citing Freedom of Speech . . .

Particularly if that individual is an official representative of the company.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You are free to campaign for the restoration of a moderator who regularly posts racist ideas. If that's "who you are", go for it. I think you lack character and possibly your moral compass is off kilter. I don't need you to like me, in fact I think it's likely a good thing if you don't like me.

I am not campaigning for TGregg to be reinstated. As I've stated before, his comments before (some of them) were not for me, but I didn't come running to Baron about it (not even once much less repeatedly).

As for who I am, I'm a well educated Canadian who happens to be white ( not that colour matters ) and who happens to have two wonderful "mixed" kids. This may motivate me more then others to address any racism or bigotry with a little energy.

Ah, well that explains it. I apologize that this issue is so sensitive for you. No man should have to feel like he is forced to defend or stand up for his children, but you need to understand that no one here is talking about your kids in any way. Politics in this day are heavily influenced by racial tides - and you are unaware of the severity of some problems we are facing here in the states. Why don't you simply avoid the P+R forum if it offends you so much?

You don't seem to understand that Elite Trader, like any business, may not necessarily want to openly support posters who put up distasteful messages that denigrate people based on skin colour, background, income etc etc. If you think somehow TGregg's personal rights have been trampled on here, take it to the site owner. But as I said before, TGregg ran with his ideas and is pretty hard to defend even for his friends. Is he guilty of poor judgement and poor communications, or is he racist to the core and fully capable of communicating his true feelings. I made up my mind he's pretty pure in his intent. His response to losing the mod position IMMEDIATELY brought up skin colour again ( slow learner I guess ).

TGregg, like anyone else here, has no rights (as dbphoenix pointed out). But Baron was aware for a while (don't think he never looks at P+R). He only acted when you - for the third or fourth time - came here whining about it. Shit stirrer. As I said.

But as I said before, if ET kept him an moderator ( and it seemed they would ), I respected their right to do so as long as they owned that decision.

Bullshit. You came here several times before and didn't get the result you were looking for, but that certainly didn't stop you.

Here is a previous example.

Apparently, somebody else intervened or Baron had a change of heart. This was not my doing, there was no campaign.
If TGregg came back as moderator, I wouldn't like it but that's been going on for years and it's not for my benefit he got dismissed.

What a load of horseshit. He had a change of heart because of you constantly trumpeting about problems in a forum where it distinctly says "not for the faint of heart" (you).

 

[Tsing Tao]

@Tsing Tao: You have raised this First Amendment Right issue a few times. I don't know your background. But here is something to ponder.

You are correct that bigoted speech or "hate speech" is not an exclusion under Freedom of Speech (while "Fighting Words" are). The problem arose when the Supreme Count granted a "group libel" exclusion to Freedom of Speech in 1952. However, later court decisions have chipped away that "group libel" exclusion, and at present it is widely agreed by Constitutional law experts that "group libel" exclusion no longer exists for Freedom of Speech. So, making bigoted speech in these forum is indeed covered by Freedom of Speech.

However (and this is a big however), the bigger issue for Baron is Civil Liabilities. As a private forum, bigoted speech (and "hate speech") could -- and most likely will be -- considered a civil liability issue. Thus far, the Supreme Court has excluded bigoted speech from civil liabilities only when the institution involved is a public institution. This is a big issue for Baron and he has to deal with it -- no amount of "Warning" could waive the civil liabilities issue. However, given that this is an online forum, the law is little murky here. I am sure Baron would not want to find out either!

So, while you are correct that TGregg's speech is protected by Freedom of Speech, the bigger issue for Baron would be Civil Liabilities. Hence, one cannot necessarily, in a private forum, say whatever they choose to say citing Freedom of Speech, unless of course, you don't care what Baron has to deal with later!

Regards,
Monoid.

Well written, thank you. But again, none of us have free speech on this forum - it's Baron's. He can ban anyone tomorrow for any reason at all.

What I'm about in this thread is pointing out a pissy little man who has nothing better to do that go to a forum that consistently offends him, looks for something particularly offensive and then comes and whines about it. He's had a hard-on for TGregg for a while, and he finally whined enough to get his way.

 

[Nine_Ender]

Well written, thank you. But again, none of us have free speech on this forum - it's Baron's. He can ban anyone tomorrow for any reason at all.

What I'm about in this thread is pointing out a pissy little man who has nothing better to do that go to a forum that consistently offends him, looks for something particularly offensive and then comes and whines about it. He's had a hard-on for TGregg for a while, and he finally whined enough to get his way.

This thread is full of a whole lot of whining from you because you didn't get your way. Your "utopia world" of free speech is fucked up. I've wasted too much time with you. That's clearly a mistake on my part.

 

[Tsing Tao]

This thread is full of a whole lot of whining from you because you didn't get your way. Your "utopia world" of free speech is fucked up. I've wasted too much time with you. That's clearly a mistake on my part.

"My way" was never even brought up here. You are fucked up - and it was my intent to make sure those on the forum are aware just how badly. It's good that you're done, because I've made my point.

I'm sure we'll see you back in P+R soon, whining about something else.

 

[Max E.]

Yeah the funny thing is that the cast of characters who are complaining are all a bunch of loons, Frederick Foresight has been banned 3 times, nine ender threatened to sue the site and said he was leaving but for some reason keeps coming back, and i dont even know where to start with dbgarland.


Its basically a laundry list of ET's biggest loons who are complaining.

I am not campaigning for TGregg to be reinstated. As I've stated before, his comments before (some of them) were not for me, but I didn't come running to Baron about it (not even once much less repeatedly).

 

[Nine_Ender]

Yeah the funny thing is that the cast of characters who are complaining are all a bunch of loons, Frederick Foresight has been banned 3 times, nine ender threatened to sue the site and said he was leaving but for some reason keeps coming back, and i dont even know where to start with dbgarland.

Its basically a laundry list of ET's biggest loons who are complaining.

You are welcome to your delusions, but in reality you are a poster named after a feminine hygiene product who is openly supporting racism on this site. Not sure why you don't understand how that would be perceived in the real world. If this is a battle of some type to you here's an eye opener to you : you are clearly losing, get over it and move on.

 

[Max E.]

You are welcome to your delusions, but in reality you are a poster named after a feminine hygiene product who is openly supporting racism on this site. Not sure why you don't understand how that would be perceived in the real world. If this is a battle of some type to you here's an eye opener to you : you are clearly losing, get over it and move on.

LOL, your a nut whose ego is so fragile you feel the need to tell on people like a little 3 year old girl when someone offends you on the internet. You really shouldnt ever talk about the real world cause you checked out of it a long long time ago.

 

[Nine_Ender]

LOL, your a nut whose ego is so fragile you feel the need to tell on people like a little 3 year old girl when someone offends you on the internet. You really shouldnt ever talk about the real world cause you checked out of it a long long time ago.

The real world sides with me that racism should have no place in it and it's supporters need to be universally and strongly condemned. True, I can't really expect a dumb fuck like you to understand this, but that's not the point. Ideally, each and every person in your life would be aware of your leanings and there to remind you why it is wrong. So at the very least you would be somewhat uncomfortable.

Trying to insult me online won't give you a pass on this.

 

[achilles28]

How about we just ban Rear_Ender? She offends me.