What would happen if China did actually dump the USD and all US bonds?

Quote from Cache Landing:


And with unsecured debt, there is nothing the creditor can do about it except to stop issuing more credit.

And except sending the big guy with the baseball bat to make sure the debtor pays... :)

Which for countries is called a war.

Ninna
 
Your wrong about Oil.

There is enough oil in the US to sustain it. I spent 4 years raising money to drill domestically. There are 10000,s of independent operators pulling oil and natti out of the ground.

Now with the Technology in the Shale arena, more production..all however more costly to refine and harvest.

Colorado has a huge Shale, Montana and North Dekota (Bakken Shale) Texas has a huge shale field, Penn, NY.

Not to mention China just poured 2 billion into a Texas wind farm and more and more alternative energy is popp'n up. All be it 3% to 5% of the energy grid for now.

I just started a project that deals with Deregulation. 35 energy providers are on my team.

We do not have an Energy Problem. We have an infrastructure problem. We are no longer a manufacturing nation. Our energy problem is not finding it. Do not forget we have CALI and Alaska to tap into in serious emergency.

We also import more oil from Canada and Mexico than the Middle East.
 
Quote from Grandluxe:

Maybe they should follow the british method like in the opium wars, owed China too much money from trade, so sold opium to weaken them and finally invading and killing them all off brutally. It is the Bitch-tish way

a stupid french brain... nothing else. I feel frustration... that come from greed... leads to anger and make you feel power ? no dude it's just the darkside. Nothing is left from you.
 
Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

Your wrong about Oil.

We do not have an Energy Problem.

Alright, there goes your credibility. Sure we don't have an energy problem if you assume that we could just cut our energy usage by 25% overnight without a problem...

And please don't even get me started on shale oil...

Now about the US-China relationship, it is such that both would get hurt it the situation described occured, but the Chinese would suffer less...
 
the question should be, what would happen if we are at Qe5?

the best answer i can think of is:

Dow Jones will be trading above 15000
Dollar index will be trading below 65
Inflation in the commodity market
a possible deflation in main street
many small businesses bankrupt due to high employment rate and extreme low consumer spending due to inflation in the commodity market
 
Quote from T_Geithner:

I say it would be the end of the USD, the core of the US is the USD, thus the end of US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis#Financial_pressure

That's Bullshit.

China is nowhere near even coming closing to holding enough debt to put considerably influence on US policy. Owning 7.5% of our debt does not equate to holding the supreme authority over the United States. The US has spend 5 trillions over the last 3 years on bailouts etc and do you think a 900 billion dollar debt is a problem for the FED?, The US Government and the US public Own near 70% the US public debt.

IF you are a Bank and made a Loan with a collateral, then you own your borrower. But if the bank made a Loan without a collateral, then the borrower own the bank. Period!. If China sell their US holding, the FED will buy it like a clap and nothing else will happen for the US. China is the only one who lose if they attempt to do that.
 
Quote from Joe Doaks:

I am no econonomist. But bear with me:

the chinks sell Treasurys (not my spelling, theirs)

the Bernank buys them (who the fuck else would?)

the Bernank pays in dollars

the chinks have to get rid of the paper summers

the chinks buy US assets with their worthells paper

the US econonomy sores

with all that moola US denizens buy more chink goods

the chinks are right back where they started.

Chink econonomists bemoan "It's a vichychoise cycle!"

oh snap, you better watch out. Those "chinks" are sending their women to castrate your inbred redneck ass! lol

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Quote from rubibond007:
That's Bullshit.

China is nowhere near even coming closing to holding enough debt to put considerably influence on US policy. Owning 7.5% of our debt does not equate to holding the supreme authority over the United States. The US has spend 5 trillions over the last 3 years on bailouts etc and do you think a 900 billion dollar debt is a problem for the FED?, The US Government and the US public Own near 70% the US public debt.

IF you are a Bank and made a Loan with a collateral, then you own your borrower. But if the bank made a Loan without a collateral, then the borrower own the bank. Period!. If China sell their US holding, the FED will buy it like a clap and nothing else will happen for the US. China is the only one who lose if they attempt to do that. [/B]

1. If china sells the 7% they own, other countries will follow, and a good percentage of the billions of people who are saving some of their money in the form of USDs, regardless of the amount, will try to get rid of it, this in turn will cause ... anyhow you get the point, basically it will trigger a domino effect

2. The collateral is the US itself.
 
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