I don't have time for a lengthy response but Obama did little in the Illinois Senate. He just wasn't a major player. In fact a Democrat told me around 2001 'Obama must be looking ahead to a Senate run because he votes present on anything controversial". For a dozen years the Illinois Senate has done nothing except try to figure out what taxes and fees to raise so the CPS doesn't go belly up. Not a real august body. The only issue I can remember him being a leader on was abortion rights. I don't know how politically sophisticated you are but when you read stuff like "sponsored" "supported" ect you can largely ignore it. Some of these bills have two dozen "sponsors". And believe it or not it's not uncommon (ask McCain he's done it) for legislators to vote against their own bill!
What will Obama "Change"? What particular "Hope" does he offer?
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Okay. My sense is that he's an intellectual. What was it about McCain that made you feel that he had a grasp of history?
Well they served on a board together.
Coincidentally that's the same position that the Weather Underground had. Personally I'm against all bombings.
Well how moral is a paramilitary Columbian death squad? (Since morality varies...)
"Aides to the Senator (McCain) did not return request for comment, though they have repeatedly argued that the campaign does not have direct connections to companies represented by such fundraisers or advisers and, as such, should not be held accountable for their actions or presumed to be persuaded by their interests."
Alright, fair enough. So what do you feel McCain's greatest accomplishments were in the Senate, by comparison?
Nothing.
Senators like McCain, Biden, Byrd, Kennedy are complicit in ruining America.
If Bush wasn't a quasi-disaster McCain wouldn't have been the nominee. Republican primary voters were at least smart enough to nominate a guy who's Republican lite.
My vote is 100% anti-Obama.
I'm very clear about one thing. My traders intuition senses Obama will 1. institute the draft (minority unemployment among young adults is allegedly 34% and even if it isn't it WILL be) and 2. get us in a war with Pakistan. I see this as LBJ vs. Goldwater.
I think your assessment of the situation is just a touch off. Obama referred not to an invasion of Pakistan, but incursion by Special Forces to hunt Bin Laden (as I understand it, McCain is on board with this as well, after attacking Obama for it.)
And since instituting a draft would be political suicide, it's unlike that either party would go there.
So that brings us back to qualifications and stated policies. Qualification wise, Obama graduated from high end schools, and was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review (not an inconsequential appointment). McCain graduated fifth from the bottom of his class of a class of 899 students. (Not kidding.)
Policy wise, McCain's economic policies seem strange -- such as where he stated that he was going to pay down the debt with the money we save in Iraq (ie. debt).
Now that was very bizarre. His economic plan gives less money to fewer taxpayers than Obama's, which I believe will help stimulate the economy somewhat. Also, Obama's economic plan results in lower numbers in deficit spending and lower debt increases than McCain's.
An Historic Day for America!
Whether you were around in the 60s when M.L.K., Bob Dylan and all the troubadours of change were around; when baby boomers (like me) began the journey of non-violent protest that would ultimately change the country and the world in so many significant ways that impact our lives every day.... or not, you MUST respect this evening as an HISTORIC day for all people in this Country and around the World.
Whether you love McCain, hate Obama, support Obama and dislike McCain; whether you love or hate G.W. Bush or Hillary Clinton. Whether you are old or young, black or white, educated or a H.S. dropout only the most nebulous, cynical or troubled person will not be capable of conjuring up a few moments of heartfelt emotions that many of us are feeling regarding tonight's historic and amazing accomplishment in the history of the US. Congratulations to Obama, but more importantly HUGE congrats and kudos to the United States of America. It might sound corny to some but be proud, be very proud, if you were lucky enough to be born here (or live here now), and will witness this moment!
If you are able to be excited about the possibility of the Cubs finally going to the world series but have no feelings about this event, I suggest you screw your head on straight and spend a moment of personal inner reflection to recognize the bigger picture, the significance for the future of mankind represented tonight! It is not about Barack Obama. It is about the human condition, and our never-ending ability to evolve and progress as humans!!
Whether you were around in the 60s when M.L.K., Bob Dylan and all the troubadours of change were around; when baby boomers (like me) began the journey of non-violent protest that would ultimately change the country and the world in so many significant ways that impact our lives every day.... or not, you MUST respect this evening as an HISTORIC day for all people in this Country and around the World.
Whether you love McCain, hate Obama, support Obama and dislike McCain; whether you love or hate G.W. Bush or Hillary Clinton. Whether you are old or young, black or white, educated or a H.S. dropout only the most nebulous, cynical or troubled person will not be capable of conjuring up a few moments of heartfelt emotions that many of us are feeling regarding tonight's historic and amazing accomplishment in the history of the US. Congratulations to Obama, but more importantly HUGE congrats and kudos to the United States of America. It might sound corny to some but be proud, be very proud, if you were lucky enough to be born here (or live here now), and will witness this moment!
If you are able to be excited about the possibility of the Cubs finally going to the world series but have no feelings about this event, I suggest you screw your head on straight and spend a moment of personal inner reflection to recognize the bigger picture, the significance for the future of mankind represented tonight! It is not about Barack Obama. It is about the human condition, and our never-ending ability to evolve and progress as humans!!
Please make no mistake, I could give a rat's ass about being liked by the French, Dutch, Germans, Canadians, Syrians, etc., etc. I don't give a shit if your feelings are hurt by what you view as US imperialism.
Just so you know this isn't personal, one of my best friends is a Canadian moonbat who lives the good life in a mountain chalet and enjoys lecturing me about how America's reputation in the world has been damaged by the invasion of Iraq. So I'll tell you what I told him: You weren't attacked on 9/11, the destruction of Vancouver is not at the top of the Al Qaeda to-do list, and you enjoy the good grace and protection of your southern neighbor whom you endlessly disparage. So stop your whining and worry about your own problems, such as horrific health care and debating if hockey pucks should have a bigger diameter or not.
Hey Ice. Two questions.
1. Did you blow a few bong hits before you posted?
2. In the spirit of diversity why did you move out of Chicago and into a non-black suburb?
1. Did you blow a few bong hits before you posted?
2. In the spirit of diversity why did you move out of Chicago and into a non-black suburb?
Not necessarily. I'm just asking what experience he had in the state Senate qualifies him to be the President.
Thank you. Not bad stuff. Introduced this and that, supported that. Mediocre, state level stuff. Can you now do the same thing for his time in Congress?
Leading fighter pilots and committees in Congress pales to what Obama has done outside of government? Please elaborate on the "leadership" roles Barry has held in private life.
"Some" experience? Are you kidding me? That's like saying Obama's ex-pastor has "some" unorthodox views of white people.
No need to ask Biden as it is evident that being named VP wipes the slate clean to him. I'd have much more respect for Biden if he had declined the nomination, but hey, why would he do that, right? The guy he said wasn't ready to be Prez asked him to be the backup QB, after all. His word be damned, that ain't important at all.
McCain has VASTLY more experience than Obama in government, period. Obama taught law, edited a law magazine, attended a church that preached an anti-white agenda, and made questionable deals with shady Chicago developer types. Both Canyonman and Pabst have met and know BO and are obviously unimpressed. Since canyonman is black, he must be an Uncle Tom, I suppose....