What will Obama "Change"? What particular "Hope" does he offer?

[hapaboy]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Also take away his teaching of constitutional law, take away his state Senate experience, and take away the books that he wrote and he's got no experience.

Meanwhile, take away McCain's clothes and he's naked.

What Senate experience? What has he done of any significance in the Senate other than vote as far left as you can go? Oops! I forgot that in itself is a major accomplishment for the Koolaid drinkers....

He writes a couple of books and that qualifies him? By that criteria Al Franken should be the nominee. Boy would that make the moonbats happy! TDog could pimp his books even more, yessirree!

So you're left with teaching law. Whoop dee fucking doo...

If you're looking to elect an educated black guy with street cred, a record of activism, and an Eagle Scout to boot, you'd be better off going with Marion Barry.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from hapaboy:

...TDog could pimp his books even more, yessirree!

Judging by your posts, your aversion to books (especially those whose facts were collected and chronologized by a Harvard fact-finding team, and replete with a full bibliography) comes as no surprise. None whatsoever.

Whereas Obama wants an administration where all views would be put forward for consideration, Bush surrounded himself ONLY with like-minded people. And McCain is following in Bush's principal footsteps (economy, foreign policy, etc.). Yes, hapster, do tell me about that Kool-Aid.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

You're displaying some real ignorance about SA.

Blaming 'Saudi Arabia" for being homeland to the hijackers would be akin to blaming the U.S. if Tim McVeigh had bombed a building in Europe.

I hear you -- it would be like blaming the Scientologists for the crusades -- an entirely different sect. That would be crazy.

(Saudi Arabia has Al Qaeda in it, while Iran is an entirely different sect which doesn't even like Al Qaeda. Something which until recently McCain wasn't even aware of.)

The Saudi government is the numero uno target of Al queda. Just because the wife of a prince has cut them a check ect. has nothing to do with the big picture reality.

Huh. I would have thought that would be a massive part of the big picture.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from hapaboy:

What Senate experience? What has he done of any significance in the Senate other than vote as far left as you can go? Oops! I forgot that in itself is a major accomplishment for the Koolaid drinkers....

Actually I wrote his "state" Senate experience. You knew that this guy who has no experience was in the State Senate, right?

He writes a couple of books and that qualifies him? By that criteria Al Franken should be the nominee. Boy would that make the moonbats happy! TDog could pimp his books even more, yessirree!

So you're left with teaching law. Whoop dee fucking doo...

If you're looking to elect an educated black guy with street cred, a record of activism, and an Eagle Scout to boot, you'd be better off going with Marion Barry.

Hmmm... so basically your argument is that if you take away all of Obama's experience he has no experience.

Okay, fair enough. Now let's look at McCain -- what experience would you say that he has that qualifies him for the presidency?

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Judging by your posts, your aversion to books (especially those whose facts were collected and chronologized by a Harvard fact-finding team, and replete with a full bibliography) comes as no surprise. None whatsoever.

Whereas Obama wants an administration where all views would be put forward for consideration, Bush surrounded himself ONLY with like-minded people. And McCain is following in Bush's principal footsteps (economy, foreign policy, etc.). Yes, hapster, do tell me about that Kool-Aid.

"Obama wants an administration where all views would be put forward for consideration."

Really?

Well, as Obama has no idea whatsoever what he wants to do from one minute to the next, I suppose he will need to consider many, many views. And I'm sure he will be unbiased in his "consideration" of views....wow, I hope he has a BIG waiting room next to the Oval Office to accommodate the legion of varied views on the plethora of issues he will have to make decisions on on a daily basis...

My but you truly do kneel at the altar of BO. You're a true disciple, aren't you? Must suck being Canadian and not able to vote for your Savior. You should apply for US citizenship and get your serious medical needs taken care of here before your exalted Obama converts our system to resemble that of our kooky Canadian neighbors'.

Any more books from Franken we should all read? I'm sure Keith Olbermann has a couple that really tickled your fancy! How about John Murtha?

Keep drinkin' that Kool-Aid! Does it taste any different up in Canada?

ROFLMAO!

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from bigdavediode:

I hear you -- it would be like blaming the Scientologists for the crusades -- an entirely different sect. That would be crazy.

(Saudi Arabia has Al Qaeda in it, while Iran is an entirely different sect which doesn't even like Al Qaeda. Something which until recently McCain wasn't even aware of.)



Huh. I would have thought that would be a massive part of the big picture.

Queda has sympathizers in high places just like anyone else does but by virtue the fact that Bin Laden was deported despite being the son of a wealthy, well known Saudi and also a folk hero via his fighting in Afghanistan tells you how fed up the Saudi's were with his act.

Isn't Obama quite friendly with the unrepentant bomber Bill Ayers (who came from a WEALTHY Chicago family)? it's ironic that you indict the SA royal family because a few were tied to Bin Laden and you indict Bush for being friendly with the Saudi's-none of whom DIRECTLY caused violence but you think a Presidential nominee serving on a board with Ayers and having a fund raiser thrown by Ayers as hunky dory.

And in a further indictment of how fucked up the whole Chicago scene is not one academic administrator from either the U of I nor NU will publicly explain why out of the zillions of qualified applicants Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn were able to land teaching jobs. The Ayers job situation isn't as bad as his wifes. He's just an English prof but his friggin' wife works for Northwestern's law school! Can you imagine going from the FBI ten most wanted list to being a law professor? She can't even get admitted to the Illinois bar but she teaches. Gotta luv it.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from hapaboy:

"Obama wants an administration where all views would be put forward for consideration."

Really?

Well, as Obama has no idea whatsoever what he wants to do from one minute to the next, I suppose he will need to consider many, many views. And I'm sure he will be unbiased in his "consideration" of views....wow, I hope he has a BIG waiting room next to the Oval Office to accommodate the legion of varied views on the plethora of issues he will have to make decisions on on a daily basis...

You could take ten minutes to download and read Obama's 60 page policy paper from his website.

And then another 10 to find out that McCain doesn't have one.

My but you truly do kneel at the altar of BO. You're a true disciple, aren't you? Must suck being Canadian and not able to vote for your Savior. You should apply for US citizenship and get your serious medical needs taken care of here before your exalted Obama converts our system to resemble that of our kooky Canadian neighbors'.

You are apparently unaware that some Canadians have more than one citizenship, and (shockingly) some are dual US/Canadian citizens. Some Americans actually move to Canada because after incorporating they receive more advantageous tax benefits and free health care.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Queda has sympathizers in high places just like anyone else does but by virtue the fact that Bin Laden was deported despite being the son of a wealthy, well known Saudi and also a folk hero via his fighting in Afganistan tells you how fed up the Saudi's were with his act.

Isn't Obama quite friendly with the unrepentant bomber Bill Ayers (who came from a WEALTHY Chicago family)? it's ironic that you indict the SA royal family because a few were tied to Bin Laden and you indict Bush for being friendly with the Saudi's-none of whom DIRECTLY caused violance but you think a Presidential nominee serving on a board with Ayers and having a fund raiser thrown by Ayers as hunky dory.

And in a further indictment of how fucked up the whole Chicago scene is not one academic administrator from either the U of I nor NU will publically explain why out of the zillions of qualified applicants Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn were able to land teaching jobs. The Ayers job situation isn't as bad as his wifes. He's just an English prof but his friggin' wife works for Northwestern's law school! Can you imagine going from the FBI ten most wanted list to being a law professor? She can't evenm gert admitted to the Illinois bar but she teaches. Gotta luv it.

Pabst, I think we both know how things work in Chicagoland. One hand washes the other. Anyone doubt it?

Ayers dad was chairman of ConEd. When little Billy got tired of playing revolutionary and was facing 20 to life, the Chicago cops mysteriously lost key evidence and his case was dismissed. The fucking little bastard got off scot free. Simple case of poor police work, right? Oddly, no one looked into it very hard. Just let it slide. Picture the detective telling Jack Nicolson, " It's chinatown, let it go."

Similary, his psycho wife, who seems even more unbalanced, waltzed out of what should have been several decades of hard time, but hey, all the Weathermen did was blow up a few buildings and kill some people, so who the hell are we to get all judgmental. Interestingly, when she was being carefully rehabilitated by the Chicago elite, her first stop was the silk stocking law firm then known as Sidley& Austin, the biggest firm in chicago, where young Michelle and Barack also worked years later. The biggest power in Sidley was one Newton Minnow, something of a Chicago icon. A hardcore leftie who also counseled many chicago area corporations, his fingerprints are all over the Ayers saga.

I think the northwestern law school has been irreparably stained by this shameful episode. I wonder how much money they got out of it?

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Queda has sympathizers in high places just like anyone else does but by virtue the fact that Bin Laden was deported despite being the son of a wealthy, well known Saudi and also a folk hero via his fighting in Afghanistan tells you how fed up the Saudi's were with his act.

Absolutely, the Saudis seem to be fed up. When some aren't writing the checks to Al Qaeda. On the ground, meanwhile, the SA maddrassas keep training Al Qaeda.

Isn't Obama quite friendly with the unrepentant bomber Bill Ayers (who came from a WEALTHY Chicago family)? it's ironic that you indict the SA royal family because a few were tied to Bin Laden and you indict Bush for being friendly with the Saudi's-none of whom DIRECTLY caused violence but you think a Presidential nominee serving on a board with Ayers and having a fund raiser thrown by Ayers as hunky dory.

What was Ayers convicted of?

And in a further indictment of how fucked up the whole Chicago scene is not one academic administrator from either the U of I nor NU will publicly explain why out of the zillions of qualified applicants Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn were able to land teaching jobs. The Ayers job situation isn't as bad as his wifes. He's just an English prof but his friggin' wife works for Northwestern's law school! Can you imagine going from the FBI ten most wanted list to being a law professor? She can't even get admitted to the Illinois bar but she teaches. Gotta luv it.

Sheesh, if this guy was convicted he absolutely shouldn't. What was he convicted of?

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Pabst, I think we both know how things work in Chicagoland. One hand washes the other. Anyone doubt it?

Ayers dad was chairman of ConEd. When little Billy got tired of playing revolutionary and was facing 20 to life, the Chicago cops mysteriously lost key evidence and his case was dismissed. The fucking little bastard got off scot free.

Wait wait wait... so Obama is evil because he once went to a fundraiser where there was a guy who was convicted of nothing.

I looked this up, too -- turns out that it wasn't that evidence was "lost" as you claimed. (Surprise, surprise, you've got your facts wrong.) Apparently the charges were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct, presumably they lied or committed other malfeasance.

Not sure how this relates to ConEd, or to Obama at all but I'm sure in a fit of crazy you'll explain how this makes Obama guilty of something.