What will Obama "Change"? What particular "Hope" does he offer?

Quote from traderNik:

Surely you're not naive enough to believe that the Dems rhetoric is any more ridiculous than the Republican rhetoric?

Don't you know that it's all a power game? Whoever gets into office wins and gets the spoils for 4 years. Do you seriously think that anyone with the personality type to run for President actually gives a fuck about the little guys?

Jimmy Carter?
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

It's the same with anything on that level Nik. Pius "for the people" rock stars make 200k a show and pay their backing band members 1k a week. I was reading about the 10th anniversary of the Truman Show. Jim Carey made 20mil yet much of the crew worked for free.

There was an American baseball player who wrote a famed best seller in 1970 called Ball Four. He admitted some really honest stuff. He said he'd rather star on a losing team than sit on the bench for a winner. He said he rooted for guys in front of him to play shitty or to even get injured.


Another book in the same vein Meat On The Hoof contained a quote from Eric Hoffer that I posted on ET a few years ago.

"If you have a hero, look again. You have probably diminished yourself in some way."

Buffett & Gates gave away more than the top 40 rock stars have made in their whole careers. Soros would be easily #1 on the Forbes list if not for his 3 decades+ of charitable giving. Many of the very best sportsmen were real team players and held in high regard by their peers. Free countries are richer than dictatorships and repressive regimes.

Some people are assholes, others aren't. In general, being "good" is more profitable and successful than being "bad". It's the most retarded thing ever to be a cynic - little supporting evidence, and it makes you sad & bitter.
 
Okay, that was less than ideal, and the Democrats could have played it better:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/04/mccains_100year_war.html

However, the above reference also notes:

Actually, McCain has not been entirely consistent on his thoughts about a long-term U.S. military occupation of Iraq. Interviewed on the Charlie Rose show last November, he rejected the Korea/Germany analogy.


ROSE: Do you think that this -- Korea, South Korea is an analogy of where Iraq might be, not in terms of their economic success but in terms of an American presence over the next, say, 20, 25 years, that we will have a significant amount of troops there?
MCCAIN: I don't think so.
ROSE: Even if there are no casualties?
MCCAIN: No. But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws.


So, while McCain would like a "presence" there for up to 100 years if necessary (sans American casualties), he recognizes that the very presence of an American military contributes to the instability (which, in this region, characteristically leads to casualties). Quite the conundrum, eh?

But it seems that Obama did get this one right:

While McCain and Republicans say that Obama is trying to "swindle voters" with "dishonest smears" by repeating the remark, the Illinois senator remains undeterred.

"Senator McCain has been saying I don't understand national security, but he's the one who wants to keep tens of thousands of United States troops in Iraq for as long as 100 years," he told reporters yesterday in Pennsylvania.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/02/foes_target_mccains_100_year_war_remark/
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

I'm sure that, in due course, the Republican machine will unearth and magnify everything they regard about Obama as unsavory. Let's see how it all plays out.

Meanwhile, Pabst, please be advised that my opinion of you has substantially diminished as a result of a number of our more recent exchanges. I thought I would be able to overlook some of your digressions, including your preposterous admission about using Fibonacci ratios, but things have added up and gone a bit too far.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Pabst, for every tick down in value that The Dog takes you, I'll gladly take the other side of the buy. He's hoping for a market value decline that just ain't there. Anytime you need a wingman.... :)

You are dead on about the Obama connections. The trouble here is no one in the Obama camp wants to acknowledge that the qualification resume that he sports is extremely thin (and rightfully so). Take away asbestos abatement, stopping a potiential fight at a tenants meeting, a few government check releases for programs (questionable), and several political speeches, and you're quickly back to college accomplishments for references. :)
 
Quote from bigdavediode:

Since the very presence in Iraq is contributing to instability, wouldn't that be 100 years of war?
Exactly. But I must admit that I do wish the Democrats had specifically framed it that way.
 
Quote from canyonman00:

You are dead on about the Obama connections. The trouble here is no one in the Obama camp wants to acknowledge that the qualification resume that he sports is extremely thin (and rightfully so). Take away asbestos abatement, stopping a potiential fight at a tenants meeting, a few government check releases for programs (questionable), and several political speeches, and you're quickly back to college accomplishments for references. :)

Also take away his teaching of constitutional law, take away his state Senate experience, and take away the books that he wrote and he's got no experience.

Meanwhile, take away McCain's clothes and he's naked.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Exactly. But I must admit that I do wish the Democrats had specifically framed it that way.

I agree. But then I'm holding the Democrats to a higher standard than the Republicans.
 
Quote from canyonman00:

Pabst, for every tick down in value that The Dog takes you, I'll gladly take the other side of the buy. He's hoping for a market value decline that just ain't there. Anytime you need a wingman.... :)
I principally trade off of sub-one-minute charts (at least for entries). Do you really think I care about longer-term or even intermediate trends? Perhaps, but it has absolutely no bearing on my day-to-day trading. I have no personal agenda here, so please don't measure me by using your own yardstick as a reference.

And speaking of ticks, I'm the guy who doesn't like ES because its tick size is proportionately larger than the tick size for the large S&P contract. And yet, I was the one who was accused of "tick fucking" earlier in this thread. Go figure.
 
Quote from bigdavediode:

Tgregg -- Iran certainly does not pose a serious threat to the US.

You know which country does? Saudi Arabia, where 17 of the 19 hijackers came from.

And the Republicans' response has been to (quite literally) hold the Saudi Prince's hand.

You're displaying some real ignorance about SA.

Blaming 'Saudi Arabia" for being homeland to the hijackers would be akin to blaming the U.S. if Tim McVeigh had bombed a building in Europe.

The Saudi government is the numero uno target of Al queda. Just because the wife of a prince has cut them a check ect. has nothing to do with the big picture reality.
 
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