What Was The Most Simple Edge That Worked For You?

Quote from Htrader:

All it takes is for one aggressive hedge fund to pick up on your idea and completely wipe it out. True trading edges are scarce in this market and they generally do not support much liquidity. I have personally stumbled upon some profitable strategies and absorbed all the size they had. As for the people who used to be making money doing the same trades... too bad.

hedge funds are very well aware of this and make the most money trading news and earnings..where do u think those 7.5mil shares traded on rimm in 15min soon after bluberry court settlement deliberation came form?? what I said is nothin' new, I cannot believe u think that's the case.
 
Is there really such a animal as an edge? What is a solid definition of an edge? (for trading?)

How many times have others said it is not wise to reveal a SECRET? What exactly is a secret? What has anyone ever come up with that solves the mkts puzzle?

Figments of ones imagination is not exactly a secret. Things that work for an individual are just that, nothing else.

Like the question stated says: "That worked for you". I could tell you what works for me, that is NOT my edge, it is just what works for me, period.

The sooner new traders quit trying to reinvent the wheel, the sooner they will make money.

There AIN"T no stupid edge, just like the Mexican guy in the movie said: "I got you stinking badge, here is you stinking BADGE"

Good luck, happy hunting...... :)
 
Quote from PCanyon:

What edge worked for you that was really simple?

Back when the S&P was a burly $500 per pt there was a simple market fade that worked week after week.

On Friday you just faded the opening with a $1000 stop. If Friday opened up from Thursday's close you shorted and vice versa.

It apparently worked because at the time there was tremendous focus on Thursday's money supply figures, released after the market closed. There was no night session at the time. The market seemed to over react on the open to the numbers.

If I recall, I worked this from around 1986 to 1988 and then like many edges, it deteriorated.
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PCcan;
Dont know of any '' most simple edge'' that works consistantly [Volente said 3 helpful ones ];
however quite a few little ones converged work together ,like
Market Makers Edge-by Joshua Lukeman is full of them.:cool:
 
this is actually a cool thread, minus the "i cant divulge my edge" and trading rules for dummies... lol.


the opening reversal is a good one... someone mentioned that.

SOES bandit /Datek stuff is probably another one. too bad i wasnt around to take advantage of that one in its heyday.
 
Quote from PCanyon:

What edge worked for you that was really simple?

Back when the S&P was a burly $500 per pt there was a simple market fade that worked week after week.

On Friday you just faded the opening with a $1000 stop. If Friday opened up from Thursday's close you shorted and vice versa.

It apparently worked because at the time there was tremendous focus on Thursday's money supply figures, released after the market closed. There was no night session at the time. The market seemed to over react on the open to the numbers.

If I recall, I worked this from around 1986 to 1988 and then like many edges, it deteriorated.

There are some really nice ones that occur daily. From your post, you are suggesting commodities types of edges.

What makes an edge the simplest is the exit.

If you space the day out into several portions, you can count on a few in each portion. And they work in an assortment of differing futures indexes.

For stocks, it is much easier, in the sense of the time available, for making decisions, especially the exit.

The best manner for explaining the above is to do it in real time slightly ahead of the market. It doesn't look like ET has the arrangements for doing this as yet. If this becomes a popular type of quest maybe a capability can be arranged.
 
Quote from danoXP:

PCanyon, were you trading the SP pre-NYSE open on Black Monday in 1987? I believe it opened in Chicago down 7% off Friday's close ... then, the eye of the storm hit ...

Were you there?

Yes, I shorted the S&P on 10/16 on the money supply trade and made over $9000 on 1 contract. The money supply trade was a day trade and so I had covered and exited on Friday's close.

In addition to the money supply trade I remember being short the S&P on Black Monday (10/19) as I was trading a short term volatility breakout portfolio. Can't recall if I went short 10/16 or if I was short before that. The portfolio traded S&P, Bonds, Silver and Beans.

That day changed everything, many systems that had worked eventually stopped.
 
this summer, I made some nice scalps off the QM (crude) YM correlation.

Crude spikes, YM dips.

Crude dips. YM spikes.

it was pretty consistent

of course, it is no longer a strong correlation. but for a couple of months it was good for several nice little scalps a week
 
The news increase the volatility, but the market goes its way anyway.

Commentators always explain postmortem the market's action interpreting the news, but if you pay attention you'll see that after a few jitters the market will go where it was already headed. It'll just reach a local top / bottom a little earlier or a little later than without those news.

If you look back, even 9/11 was a jitter for the market: it was already headed downwards.

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Quote from landboy:

A good one for today!! The Fed raised, but that was a forgone conclusion, the key was the language within the text. SOOO, there was a little lag time between announcement and the market reaction. If you can read fast, and I mean speed read and digest quickly, you may have been able to beat most traders to the punch. I was sitting in front of the Bloomy today, I think there was a lag of about ten seconds between announcement and move, which doesn't happen if all the market is concerned about is "the number"
 

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