what type for strategy is best to use to profit on volatility?

Quote from xflat2186:

I believe the original question had to do with volatility trading. Buying the call spread as you suggested is paying top dollar for some Vega and then slapping a guess on direction on top of that.

I also believe the conversation is in terms of retail trading, the OI and the volume are not going to be mitigating factors when trading 10 or fewer lots. Since you suggested a one lot what would be the right amount of OI and volume ? 2?


To the original poster, without knowing a whole lot about the particular stock you’re looking at I would suggest learning a great deal more about trading volatility before you jumped into a situation where there is such significant news pending. This event may give you an interesting opportunity to learn about some volatility trading via paper trades and other quality sources but it might not be the best time to make your first volatility trades with real money.

Good Luck

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This wasn't a response to the OP but the the person I quoted.
 
Quote from Maverickz:

This wasn't a response to the OP but the the person I quoted.

You were replying to my suggestion. Yes, my suggestion is not a good trade from my point of view too.

The OP asked for a way to short volatility without unlimited risk and that is one way I can think of.

If there are other suggestion, definitely feel free to post..:)
 
Quote from xflat2186:

Straddle does not have to be call and put, long call short stock is synthetic long straddle, long put long stock is a synthetic long straddle. Vise versa for short straddles. The stock does not have to have a large move in either direction in order to make the long straddle profitable, you could trade the gamma from the long straddle. Also you’re wrong in that volatility can go higher as a stock moves higher. The stock being discussed is an example since it has major news event pending volatility will move higher in to the event and the stock may do so also.



Straddles by definition, whether standard or synthetic are Vega plays, so you’d be wrong in saying not to worry about Vega.

Short durations are suitable for gamma trading. The greatest vanilla vegas are seen in the terminus LEAPS atm straddle.



Since straddles are pure volatility plays you would be foolish to limit yourself to only 2 to 4 week plays if you’re looking to trade volatility. 2 to 4 weeks my be usual for some but not for the experienced options trader. The premium you originally received for the straddle should not by a long shot be confused with any money you keep until you close out that position. If you’ve sold a straddle of a duration longer then 2 to 4 weeks and implied volatility comes in there are a variety of trades you can make to lock in profits without closing that exact straddle.

Absolutely. I can't imagine any experienced trader recommending one to limit short straddle positions to one month duration. It's what NOT to do. With duration comes vega exposure. IMO, the only time to sell a straddle is on a deferred contract to increase vegas and decrease gammas. It's best to add curvature/dgammas to any front-month straddle position through the purchase of wings [long flies]. Your loss is limited on the otm strike-touch and you flip gamma/vega outside the wing-strikes.
 
Quote from xflat2186:

Straddle does not have to be call and put, long call short stock is synthetic long straddle, long put long stock is a synthetic long straddle. Vise versa for short straddles. The stock does not have to have a large move in either direction in order to make the long straddle profitable, you could trade the gamma from the long straddle. Also you’re wrong in that volatility can go higher as a stock moves higher. The stock being discussed is an example since it has major news event pending volatility will move higher in to the event and the stock may do so also.

I understand about synthetic straddles but wasn't going to try and cover every possible trade and all it's synthetics in a single post. Also I never said that volatilty couldn't or wouldn't move higher with the price. I said that "selling a straddle is more profitable WHEN volatility is high and moving downward". Meaning that if the options you are selling are over priced when you sell the straddle but are starting to move downward you would capture a larger premium. I was not talking about any specific stock.


Quote from xflat2186:

Straddles by definition, whether standard or synthetic are Vega plays, so you’d be wrong in saying not to worry about Vega.

If you sell a straddle you are generally expecting the underlying to stay between the break even points. Price action and volume will be the primary indicators as to if this will happen or not. Yes you should worry about Vega but it is not THE primary thing to be concerned with.


Quote from xflat2186:

Since straddles are pure volatility plays you would be foolish to limit yourself to only 2 to 4 week plays if you’re looking to trade volatility. 2 to 4 weeks my be usual for some but not for the experienced options trader. The premium you originally received for the straddle should not by a long shot be confused with any money you keep until you close out that position. If you’ve sold a straddle of a duration longer then 2 to 4 weeks and implied volatility comes in there are a variety of trades you can make to lock in profits without closing that exact straddle.

While I agree that there are advanced methods to repair or roll a straddle to lock in profits, or reduce risk, I considered repair strategies and rolling strategies as out of scope for this thread.
 
Quote from atticus:

Absolutely. I can't imagine any experienced trader recommending one to limit short straddle positions to one month duration. It's what NOT to do. With duration comes vega exposure. IMO, the only time to sell a straddle is on a deferred contract to increase vegas and decrease gammas. It's best to add curvature/dgammas to any front-month straddle position through the purchase of wings [long flies]. Your loss is limited on the otm strike-touch and you flip gamma/vega outside the wing-strikes.

If you are not advanced enough to know about all the rolling and repair strategies then selling straddles on longer timeframes gives the unerlying more time to move out of your profit range. I can't imagine an X-Games pro biker trying to teach a 6yr old thats just learning to ride a bike arieal acrobatics.
 
Quote from Maverickz:

If you are not advanced enough to know about all the rolling and repair strategies then selling straddles on longer timeframes gives the unerlying more time to move out of your profit range. I can't imagine an X-Games pro biker trying to teach a 6yr old thats just learning to ride a bike arieal acrobatics.

Repair strategies are anathema. Adding negative edge to a loser. Who is the six year old in this analogy?

Let's try to stay objective and leave the (ugh) repair strategies out of the discussion. Adding duration allows one to increase vegas while decreasing gammas. Don't recommend two week short straddles to noobs.
 
Quote from atticus:

Repair strategies are anathema. Adding negative edge to a loser. Are you the six year old in this analogy?

Let's try to stay objective and leave the (ugh) repair strategies out of the discussion. Selling deferred allows one to increase vegas while decreasing gammas. Don't recommend two week short straddles to noobs.

Lol no I am not the 6yr old. I am not the X-games pro either. I am more like the parent that knows how to ride a bike quite well and can teach others to ride but not all the advanced tricks. That I will leave to you. I still say telling noobs to take much longer term short straddle postions will only lead to their ruin if you do not also teach them all the ways to modify the trade as time progresses and things change, which gets a bit advanced for a forum thread in most cases. Personally I never use straight straddles anyway. If I think the price will be in a certain range, I will use IC's or Dbl Diags (often rolling into a IC) to limit my downside and widen the profit range.
 
Quote from Maverickz:

I still say telling noobs to take much longer term short straddle postions will only lead to their ruin

Yeah, and our Sun orbits the Earth. No offense intended.
 
Quote from atticus:

Yeah, and our Sun orbits the Earth. No offense intended.

I guess we just disagree. If the newb doesn't know what additional legs they can or should add or remove and when, what else will happen when they short say a 3 month straddle and the underlying moves against them rapidly?
 
Quote from Maverickz:

I guess we just disagree. If the newb doesn't know what additional legs they can or should add or remove and when, what else will happen when they short say a 3 month straddle and the underlying moves against them rapidly?

There is nothing to gain in addressing the vague "moves against them rapidly" comments, but the point is simply that the seller is compensated via a reduction in gamma exposure.
 
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