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Mav
Thanks for the comprehensive reply.
Sure, but if the option was overpriced youâd still have an edge. Keep selling overpriced options long enough and over the long run you win. The casino analogy is a good one I think, where they can (and do) take large occasional losses. But because they have an edge, over the long run they win.
No, this is no true unfortunately and has been proven mathematically to be incorrect. Casinos are not a good analogy. The edge a casino has is defined. The edge in options is perceived. Do you understand the difference? It's like me telling you I'm taking the Bears -3 1/2 this weekend because my betting formula says they should be -5 and if I do this enough times, I will capture the edge. Well, no, because my edge is perceived edge, it isn't real. In a casino, when you play roulette there are 38 numbers on the table and if you win, they don't pay you 38 to 1 but rather 36 to 1 (due to the 0 and 00 on the the wheel). This edge is real and defined, yours is not. Do you follow?
Again, selling overpriced options is not really what you are doing. Let's take another example here. Say you are selling options on the SPX. Say the SPX is at 1400 and you decide on the open you are going to sell the Dec 1350 puts for 4.00 which are trading at a 14 vol. Let's say later in the day the SPX is now at 1390. Those puts are now 6.00 and still trading at the same vol. But, if you price the puts you sold, what you really did was sell the 1350 puts for 4.00 at 1390 which would be a 11 vol now which is seriously underpriced. Now think about what I am saying here. Think about this for a few minutes before you respond. Because this is what you are really doing here. What I am trying to say here is the vol you think are getting has no meaning except as to the relationship the option has to the UNDERLYING!
Donât follow how (in your example) going long OTM calls followed by shorting stock is âlocking in volâ ? You didn'tât specify a ratio, but my thinking is that youâll change the long call profile into a straddle or long put, depending on just how much stock you sell ?
Yes, trading stock against the option is not the ideal solution but can be done. I was trying to show you how you need to change the way you look at options and vol. MM's are always trying to both buy and sell vol that is off at the same time. particularly trying to leg into conversion and reversals. In other words, buying the actual calls and selling the synthetic calls.
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