What should minimum wage be?

[poyayan]

Quote from nealvan:

I hired my cousins to work on a couple occasions and told them one time how much they were going to make an hour and they just expected to make that much an hour but not have to earn it.
I think it was like 10 or 12 bucks. They expected to get paid like they get paid in town for doing nothing. I actually paid them more but they didn't want to work. I told them what I wanted done and when I came back they barely did anything. They asked me again for work a few weeks later.
I realized how much of a mistake it was last time but I needed help so I told them you are going to get this much for this job (I told them what they had to do) and if you don't finish you will not get paid. You know what they did? They said we'll be right back and just left. They literally expected me to pay them an hourly wage to be on hand and barely work at my own home not even at a business. They were supposed to do yard work and help fix up a house we were working on. Dig ditches and other manual work like that. I was going to pay them 60 dollars a piece and figured they would work about a half of day. This was several years ago before fuel prices were high and they could walk here, all under the table, no taxes and paid on the spot. It took me 6 hrs to do the work myself. That's 120 bucks between 2 guys that normally make minium wage. People that don't want to work won't work that's why we have prisons full of them and those are the people that belong on chain gangs working on projects like our highways.

Well, you can't expect these people to see a good deal in front of them... If they can, they probably make way more than minimum wage to start with.

 

[poyayan]

Quote from nealvan:

I hired my cousins to work on a couple occasions and told them one time how much they were going to make an hour and they just expected to make that much an hour but not have to earn it.
I think it was like 10 or 12 bucks. They expected to get paid like they get paid in town for doing nothing. I actually paid them more but they didn't want to work. I told them what I wanted done and when I came back they barely did anything. They asked me again for work a few weeks later.
I realized how much of a mistake it was last time but I needed help so I told them you are going to get this much for this job (I told them what they had to do) and if you don't finish you will not get paid. You know what they did? They said we'll be right back and just left. They literally expected me to pay them an hourly wage to be on hand and barely work at my own home not even at a business. They were supposed to do yard work and help fix up a house we were working on. Dig ditches and other manual work like that. I was going to pay them 60 dollars a piece and figured they would work about a half of day. This was several years ago before fuel prices were high and they could walk here, all under the table, no taxes and paid on the spot. It took me 6 hrs to do the work myself. That's 120 bucks between 2 guys that normally make minium wage. People that don't want to work won't work that's why we have prisons full of them and those are the people that belong on chain gangs working on projects like our highways.

Well, you can't expect these people to see a good deal in front of them... If they can, they probably make way more than minimum wage to start with.

 

[blackjack007]

Quote from Visionary8:

Personally, I think minimum wage should be at least 15$ an hour, and thats being lenient. I mean, how can one live the american dream in a state like California when the median price of a home is 500K? Lets say you make 50K a year with a college degree. you still can't afford a home.

How can you raise a family making 10$ hr. with todays price of living. What happened to the days where you could work a blue collar job and raise a big family and send them to school? I have worked lots of jobs where I was getting underpaid by 6 or 7 $. It's really frustrating when your working hard for no pay.

since when is anyone entitled to move to california and live their version of their dream?

you earn you way through life, you aren't entitled to sh*t.

there should be no minimum wage.

btw, if you felt you were underpaid, why the hell did you work there?

 

[thesharpone]

Quote from 1Reason:


Maybe perhaps you were paid what your worth

now now, if we're gonna talk who is worth what,

rest assured that no one is worth anything

humans are one of the most pathetic beings on this planet, not for what they do, for the cheap beings they are

 

[thesharpone]

Quote from jamis359:

Grandma can't afford an operation? Too bad, it's her own damn fault for not saving enough money.

since I don't respect a karma system, where there is an equal consequence, or even a consequence for an action

Grandma can't afford an operation? Who gives a fuck about grandma, she can suffer and rot to death like every other fucking human has and will

 

[thesharpone]

see it's not what she did that makes her deserve the suffering, it is what she is, a human being

 

[thesharpone]

Quote from matador04:

Where's the option for $0

I'm all for enslaving humans

but since this guy wants americans to be rich the nice way, it could be done by focusing on developing robots that take care of most human tasks, or by scamming other countries, not by raising the minimum wage

 

[Hydroblunt]

Quote from Aok:

Dont you get it? Globalization is here to stay. China/India has got a taste and unlike the American whiner they're willing to work 14 hrs a day/7 days a week, no pension, no healthcare, no bathroom break.

It's called borderline slavery, because that is EXACTLY what it is. Turn substinence farming & local economies unbearable by cutting out local goods with cheap commericial crap, then establish sweatshops as the economic "savior".
When the offshoring moves to the next lowest cost labor location, the current mass sweatshop workers will get exactly what they deserve.
So expecting a right to use the bathroom is whining? Wow, haven't heard that one before.

But its also a matter of perspective. Andrew Carnegie never lived at any time in his life with the opportunites that the least of us has in America. You may, however, have to work for them. And work even harder to keep them.

Using Industrialization oligarchs as examples is bad bad thinking. Considering that the true rise of their success always lies in cheating, lying, theft, manipulation and often murder.

BTW, the opportunities in those ages were ten-fold of those today. That's why so many monopolies were created. You do realize this is back when they used to shoot workers for striking, something Carnegie was quite familiar with. Let alone murder competitors, but hey, that's REAL capitalism.

Minimum wage is a by-product of the financial system. Ideally, it should be eliminated, but it can't happen. Consumerism would crumble due to wage pressures, which are happening anyway. It's mostly a moot point.