What really happened ....11 september

Rat:
>and of course these people didnt start any of the
>bashing.. nah.. no way..

Yes, I know you have an angelic presence until pressed and never started anything in your entire life.

Get real.

JB

>i would be happy to debate you with
>respect...

I haven't seen much evidence of that yet, but what the hell. Let's give it a try.

JB
 
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Rat:
>tell me how long wtc7 took to fall.

How about you address the towers first since I've been raising that question for a year and a half (and you reference their "free fall) as recently as the 14th of this month.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1304669#post1304669

We'll get to WTC7 after the twins, how 'bout it?

>and btw your out to lunch comment is antagonistic.

And you would definitely know antagonistic.

JB
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or we could discuss wtc7 and then move on to the towers since i just answered multiple questions of yours. let me go count the seconds of wtc7... brb
 
Cops:
>"it is gonna BLOW UP, it will EXPLODE, please
>disperse".

Me:
>These same folks will also tell you that marijuana
>will end your life as you know it. Not everything
>they say is the truth BTW.

Bit:
>excuse me, but that was lame.

Why, because you say so? Cops and emergency services personel will say most anything to get people moving (or to stop smoking dope). They come up with the most impressive/scary/exposive/tragic scenario and scream "IT'S GONNA HAPPEN" at the top of their lungs.

It's using shock value for motivation and in many ways of course I don't blame them as it is typically effective (especially momentarily).

JB
 
first of all i dont know of any cops that tells u that about green; infact all the cops that stopped me with green or solid let me go no problem. that's utter bs and a matter of perception of you. second if cops and fema lie then the whole commission/debunking shit is a big lie as well, that i know it prolly is anyways..or u wanna have it both ways?

by the way wtc7 obviously collapsed after the warning. u can only blame uself for not seeing they were aware of what was gonna happen.
Quote from Turok:

Cops:
>"it is gonna BLOW UP, it will EXPLODE, please
>disperse".

Me:
>These same folks will also tell you that marijuana
>will end your life as you know it. Not everything
>they say is the truth BTW.

Bit:
>excuse me, but that was lame.

Why, because you say so? Cops and emergency services personel will say most anything to get people moving (or to stop smoking dope). They come up with the most impressive/scary/exposive/tragic scenario and scream "IT'S GONNA HAPPEN" at the top of their lungs.

It's using shock value for motivation and in many ways of course I don't blame them as it is typically effective (especially momentarily).

JB
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Bit:
>first of all i dont know of any cops that tells u that
>about green; infact all the cops that stopped me with
>green or solid let me go no problem. that's utter bs
>and a matter of perception of you.

It's more than a perception with me...the cops that stopped me put me in jail for 3 years, so we clearly met different cops -- and so much for your "utter bs".

JB
 
Rat:
>this clip is all over the place... are you serious that
>you still have not seen it?

See, that's what I thought...

You claim that he "admits" to having the building demo'd, and I wanted to know if you ACTUALLY had a clip of him admitting this.

You don't!

What you have is a clip ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8pheNcjVZc&mode=related&search=

Which states (verbatim):

"I remember getting a call from the uh Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said "you know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is -- is pull it. Uh, and they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse."

(he later clarified that his use of the word "pull" was not in the context of "demo", but rather "pull the firemen from the building").

Rat:
>debunkers argue that he meant pull the firemen... only
>problem with that is they "pulled" the firemen at 11 am
>that morning... 6 hours before they pulled the bldg.

Let's assume for a moment that it's true that there were no firemen in the building at the time of the those words...(there are statements from FDNY firemen themselves that say they were in the building as late as 3pm, well after the statement by Larry)

Still, assuming the above, what you don't know is whether or not Larry KNEW this to be the case. In all the chaos, he could have assumed there were men with their lives on the line fighting this fire and decided just to throw in the towel and let his building be sacrificed.

See, both can be true -- there can be no firemen in the building AND Larry could have generously been saying something to the effect of "It's been a bad day -- let's not risk losing anymore lives just to save another structure".

In the context of the clip, with his "terrible loss of life" comment, it certainly sounds like to me like a concession rather than a pre-emptive command.

JB
 
Quote from Turok:

Bit:
>first of all i dont know of any cops that tells u that
>about green; infact all the cops that stopped me with
>green or solid let me go no problem. that's utter bs
>and a matter of perception of you.

It's more than a perception with me...the cops that stopped me put me in jail for 3 years, so we clearly met different cops -- and so much for your "utter bs".

JB
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law is the law my friend. nothing u can do about it, especially if u are not good hiding and u carrying too much. still doesnt mean cops say green kills u...that still remains utter bs.
 
the 911 commision was chaired by a bush appointee and only after stiff resistance from the whitehouse. even once bush consented to an investigation at all, he would only testify without an oath, without a formal record of the testimony, and only simultaneously with cheney in lock step. as if sovereign immunity wasn't enough of a barrier from the consequences of scrutiny!

what does your common sense say, even in the absence of pnac agenda, family business conflicts of interest, pipeline contracts, pre-motivated plans for iraq, stifled whistleblowers, ignored intellgence, multiple instances of destroyed evidence, et al

i never knew he actually happened to have the director of the whitehouse situation room with him at booker elementary that morning

common sense can only be sliced so thin, and we all remember being introduced to the skin of his teeth in the 2000 election.
 
Rat:
>or we could discuss wtc7 and then move on to the towers
>since i just answered multiple questions of yours.

Since you must be confusing me with someone else, here's the proposal:

Show me ONE question that you have answered for me this evening and I will happily move the debate from the twins to WTC7.

Remember just one question you've answered -- please snip the question and the answer and then we can move forward.

Thanks.

JB
 
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