What really happened ....11 september
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Quote from 5Pillars:
You obviously do not understand the "game" of our current government, and who and what it takes to get elected to these positions at the federal level. Ratboy has named a few but send an e-mail to Congressmen Scarborough (From MSNBC "Scarborough Country")....ask him why he is no longer in government.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/121005slamsbush.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/140206criminalsyndicate.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/111205totalitariandanger.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/151105inhands.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/241005weaponsinspector.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/191005McGovern.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm
Many are speaking out from within our government, but if you think you will see this news on Fox or CNN, you are lazy and kidding yourself.
Well at least if you do not like my beliefs, then you can have your current government buddies send me to one of these soon.........
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/010306gulagsforamericans.htm
:eek:
You keep linking to 1 (one) highly dubious site...
That offers nothing more than speculation.
Classic downside of Free Speech.
Gotta take the bad with the good.
As a "believer" or whatever...
Much more is required of YOU before YOU charge specific individuals with ** murder **.
I used to watch Scarborough's show... and I take him seriously.
Joe is a VERY public person...
So give me a link...
Where Joe supports a substantial amount of the wild charges found on "prisonplanet".
I feel dirty... just being part of this thread...
So make it a PM.
targeted assasinations are in order......I think it would be hilarious if Cramer, Bill Kristol, and Bebe Netanyahu were all murdered on the same day...oy gevalt wouldn't that be a Chag Sameach!!!!
Quote from version77:
Lots of people making $$$ off of this so-called "inside job". Lots of
people writing books, lots of people selling DVD's, lots of websites,ect...
People trying to make a name for themselves...
It is sickening. Want to buy my book? Want to buy my DVD? Want
to hand your wallet over to me? Will you interview me? Can I be
on TV too? Am I important now? Am I famous? Do you like me?
Jeez, I wonder if Michael Moore made any $$$ off of 9/11...? duh...
Reminds me of the movie Titanic. Big Hollywood making $$$ off of a
terrible tragedy by making a movie about it and then giving itself awards for it?
A lot of people are making $$$ off of the 9/11 "conspiracy".
Bloodsucking leeches...
If those who believe 9/11 was an "inside" job read this PM article
and can actually understand it and still believe with what is
left of their brain that this was an "inside" job, then they have an
intelligence problem. There is plenty more debunking material
out there also. Go read it and try to understand it.
It is not rocket science. At least not for most people...
P.S. This is my Christmas present message to those who still live
in paranoia of the American government. I hope it helps you...
From the PM official 'debunking' website (see my comments after this below)
"Puffs Of Dust
CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."
FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."
My thoughts:
I don't buy the above government backed 'debunking' because it sounds like a bunch of BS to me on this important issue of the squibs. What shocked me when I saw the close up of the squibs and tower collapsing was that some of the squibs happened on the lower floors WAY before the top which was crashing down caught up to those lower floors. Mr Shyam Sunder sounds like he's completely ignoring that fact when conveniently trying to dismiss a straw man argument, namely that the coincident dust and air shooting out from a floor that is collapsing looks like its caused by an explosion. That is NOT what caught my attention. It is the squibs on the lower floors which did, and I'm afraid that this FEMA led research piece is pure crap.
I'm still waiting for someone, maybe Version 77 to explain to me what those squibs were if they weren't explosions but more importantly why did they happen on the lower floors way before being caught up to by the crashing upper floors. Also, why such an abundance of testimony referring to multiple explosions happening before and after the planes crashed into the planes? Are they also lying for the fun of it???
Anyone want to show how smart he is? There seems to be a lot of experts here on the governments side.
the squibs on the south tower were indeed 30 to 40 floors below the initial collapse. also, most credible govt backers have abandoned the pancake theory do to its obvious errors. yet, people make fun of CT's and still quote these obsolete fantasy explanations. btw, welcome to the debate Mav.
I'd never seen this list before. Here are the questions the 911 Family Steering Committee submitted to the 911 commission which the president's commission declined to address
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html
Here's a possibility:
[0] The collapse begins at the top of the building and proceeds
downwards. It's evident on all videos I've seen. No downward movement
of a lower floor is apparent before the collapse front reaches the level of the floor.
[1] The weight of the collapsing section of the building at the top compresses
air beneath the descending collapse front.
[2] Below the front, compressed air is pushed generally downward and moves in
whatever way possible through the building. Escape is possible sideways
through the windows, when pressure becomes sufficient to break them, and
downwards through the building itself ... through the ducting system,
elevator shafts, stairwells, etc.
[3] Thus air pressure also begins to build on floors below the collapse front,
as some fraction of the air from the already collapsed sections flows
downwards into the building. The airflow may cause high winds in lower floors
also.
[4] Some windows on lower floors, possibly weakened already by the
impact, burst from local overpressure, producing the puffs of dust visible in
some photos.
This is my speculation, based on my knowledge of physics. To back it up would
require a more detailed simulation of the building geometry than I'm willing
to get into. But it seems a plausible explanation, to me. More plausible than
the suggestion that explosive `squibs' went off on lower floors as part of a
`controlled demolition,' but that the lower floors did not start to move
before the collapse front reached them.
That's a strawman: there's no need to say they were lying. Maybe they heard
something, or thought they heard something. This doesn't mean there were
explosions.
Primary evidence of explosions consists of traces of explosive materials.
Such evidence appears to be absent.
I'm not all that smart, and beyond having a degree in physics, I'm not an
expert at all. I'm not on the `government's side.' I'm simply extremely
unimpressed by the quality of the arguments by the conspiracy theorists, as
well as their selective use of evidence.
For example, pictures are repeatedly shown of the relatively undamaged
North side of WT7 during its later collapse, while pictures of the extensively damaged
South side are either ignored, or argued to be fabrications.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.