what i've learned + ceasefire

Something doesn't smell right to me about Schindler Trading.

"Mr. Schindler is a Chartered Financial Analyst and became a registered Commodity Pool Operator with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission on June 18, 2001. If and when the Partnership grows to over $200,000 or more than 15 Limited Partners, he will then become a member of the National Futures Association."

(From the above link - http://www.iasg.com/SnapshotPT.asp?ID=8).

And yet the page also shows a graph with over $3mil in managed assets. (Is that the max margin on 200k ???)

And why are you here on ET fishing for suckers?
 
interesting post...

But no offense, it doesn't sound like you "learned" anything important. What you mentioned could be garnered out of any medicore "trading" book. When you come back to ET someday... and indicate that you've learned what makes you "tick" AND that you know not only the so-called "rules" of trading but what rules you... success might then be nearer than you imagine.

A few points to consider/ponder:

1. Many failures are simply persons who did not how how close they were to "success", when they gave up.

2. Not all persons can trade. Sounds like a platitude but it is really the gist.

3. You say you ONLY want to trade a certain market. Ever sit down and ponder why. What answer do you come up with? Challenge that answer.

If a hallmark of good trading is flexibility, i.e. "be like water" consider why you're "inflexible" on that pivotal subject. I believe a good trader can trade anything. And moreover if you were approaching your apparent lack of success with an open mind, wouldn't one of the FIRST things you ask, be: Hmmmmm... maybe the eminis (and/or ONLY daytrading) ain't for me?

Yeah, maybe that's IT! Duh?

(bungrider also makes some good points)

Be cool...

Iceman:cool:
 
Quote from iceman1:

3. You say you ONLY want to trade a certain market. Ever sit down and ponder why. What answer do you come up with? Challenge that answer.

If a hallmark of good trading is flexibility, i.e. "be like water" consider why you're "inflexible" on that pivotal subject. I believe a good trader can trade anything...

man, so true. I don't care what I'm trading. The game is the same. For all I care, I could be buying and selling sh!t on ebay.

The hallmark is flexibility. Like that cyber commercial with bruce lee. "be like wah-tah" as a good friend of mine likes to mime...

when I'm trading well, i'm not thinking about money. i'm thinking about where i want to buy and where i want to sell. i couldn't even give a sh!t about money. when i do care about money, i trade like a total jackass.

but that's just me. if you wanna trade the e-mini, trade the e-mini. good for you. it's liquid and volatile.
 
Quote from traderkay:

Well the post below is kind of embarassing and stuff but I am not a slave to my ego like too many on this board so here goes.

Well, it looks like I'm about to declare a ceasefire in my quest for "consistent profitability", (no, not the Holy Grail). I'm about take a full-time Dilbertese job. Now this is a ceasefire, not a capitulation. I will never be happy until I master trading; and if that means never that would mean I'd never be happy all my life, yes. I'm declaring ceasefire because I'm not making money, not because I'm losing money. Basically, I'm not making money in my papertrading; and I refuse to trade for real until I do. I've been at this for a total of 3 years on and off. Yea, doesn't sound too good, but I'm not the least able guy around plus I don't know of any other occupation where so many intelligent people miserably failed. So I'm not feeling too bad.

I guess to have something to show for the 3 years I decided to summarize what I've learned here. By the way I'd like to thank ET as a whole for providing a forum for learning and a number of ET members who selflessly share their knowledge, who will remain un-named. So here's what I learned:

0) Successful, consistent trading is very possible.
1) Short-term trading is done via technical analysis (not FA).
2) There's systematic and discretionary kinds of trading.
3) People trade in all sorts of (TA) ways and make money.
4) 95% of vendors are losers just like 90% of traders are losers. This fact really complicates learning in this industry. That said there's some honest ones (5%).
5) Don't trade until you're consistent on paper.
6) There's 3 parts to trading success: method, discipline and money management. The latter two are pretty straight-forward. Method is the hardest. Look at me, 3 years, and still looking.
7) Yes, probably finding a mentor is a great way.. in fantasy land! Here I'll try this. Are you a consistently profitable trader? Would you like to be my mentor? I won't pay you anything up-front (refer to #4). But if I'm successful I'll pay you 20-50% of all my profits for 1-2 maybe even 3 years. I'm only interested in daytrading e-minis. PM me if interested. There, let's see how many takers I'll get.. My bet is none.
8) Traders get paid for absorbing risk. No wonder, 90% get the hard end of the stick. So it's a risk thing. In a bigger way, I take significant risks and sacrifices in trying to become a trader; if it works out I'll be paid.
8) The kingpin of it all is consistency. With consistency you can average net $20 a day, and be in the promised land pretty quickly by building your size. So number of points blablabla doesn't really matter. What matters is consistency.
9) I found that personally systematic trading appeals to me. I also found that developing a mechanical method takes a lot of work and there's been some kind of a psychological barrier that told me "Noo, don't do the hard work". I guess that's my latest failing.
10) I understood the role of leverage in magnifying return/drawdown. Also the return/drawdown "paradigm".
11) I understood a lot of things about markets and investing that are obvious to traders, for example I will never be a bag-n-holder and watch my 401k disappear like a sheep.

Well that's about it, I guess. If any other "wisdoms" pop out that I forgot to include I'll edit the post and include them in the list. I feel much better struggling for my goals than living in peace of mediocrity.

maybe lundy will take you under his wing on his days off at the supermarket:confused:

good luck!
 
I found a really simple and fool proof way to make money.
Use a daily chart. Put in a 5 and 15 EMA and when they cross go short when the 15 is on top, and long when the 5 is on top. Get out on stochastic crosses after the entry or at the next cross and reverse.
Your trades will last for days, and sometimes for weeks.
Works great on QQQ or SPY.
Trade a little to get your confidence up.
You can work and do this system. :)
 
traderkay,
I find it very hard to beleive that you never traded a dime and you are giving up. Perhaps you have been too analytical about the whole thing and the flow might come to you if you put 500 to 1k into it. Sounds like you are too skeptical of your own abilities, cause you haven't even gotten your feet wet. (correct me if i'm wrong)

In my own experience, I find that I took a very narrow approach to trading. I always wanted to be right, and I never prepared to be wrong. I was in it for the thrill of being right, and of mastering the market.

I beleive now that trading is all about being frugal, something I have never been. Of course, that philosophy will get tested in the markets.

best of luck.

ps. I also bit the bullet for a while, got a job at the local grocery. But that was temporary and I am now entering the arena again. This time I wanna last til the 12th round.

qqqball, you don't know who yer messin with :cool:
 
Quote from bobcathy1:

I found a really simple and fool proof way to make money.
Use a daily chart. Put in a 5 and 15 EMA and when they cross go short when the 15 is on top, and long when the 5 is on top. Get out on stochastic crosses after the entry or at the next cross and reverse.
Your trades will last for days, and sometimes for weeks.
Works great on QQQ or SPY.
Trade a little to get your confidence up.
You can work and do this system. :)

lookiing good but it seem like you left lots of money on table
 

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or try the 2, 9, and 30 ema...if 2 and 9 cross up and the close is above the 30 for two days go long... get out when the 2 9 cross back... reverse for shorts
 
Crossover systems always look great when looking at historical charts but you cant seriously believe its that easy. Bobcathy how long have you been trading this and what have been your results?You can get a cross on one bar and on the next bar it will turn back the other way just as easily as continuing. Just try trading the same crossover on a 5 minute chart to get a quick idea of what happens.
 
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