What is your take on Daniel Kahneman's theory? Happiness is not more than 60-75k/year

Mainly Jewish immigrants to Britain used to arrive in the squalid, overcrowded East End of London from Europe. Many were skilled and went on to make money. As their wealth increased they bought better properties in Golders Green/Hamppstead etc. The really rich like the Rothschilds bought huge properties with high walls and big gates outside London , in the countryside. Were they happier ? Probably not. lonelier - I expect so.

are you a psychologist and/or a latent anti-Semite.
 
I'm curious with these huge surveys done to try to measure life satisfaction and overall happiness if they take mental disorders into consideration and weed those people out or how they accounted for it. I don't know the exact number but I would guess at least 1 our of 5 people have some sort of anxiety, depression or bi-polar disorder which would muddy the waters. Many of these people should seemingly be happy or satisfied with life but they aren't because their brain is fucked up.
This classic is for you: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html

i think I have read this premise10 years back.. it definitely is thought provoking. (ie. that the sweet point is 50-70K) and having more doesnt necessarily help as you keep up with the Joneses and there is no end to that.
Then keep up with the Kardashians! (Discaimer: I am not an American just playing with some of the words I learned :-) )

People forget that the ownership of millions of dollars can buy experiences that 60-75K per year cannot.

These experiences may be important to some and meaningless to others.
For example: http://www.quora.com/Wealth/Is-getting-rich-worth-it/answers/1631599
 
But I think that level given is fair. Granted it should be adjusted for cost of living. Someone living in NY on 60k is not the same as someone living in Kansas City on 60k.
To quote the end of http://www.joshuakennon.com/the-price-of-happiness-science-confirms-it-is-75000-per-year/ :

P.S. Of course, this is when someone inevitably whines, “But what if I live in New York City or San Francisco?” Well, if you choose to live in one of the handful of most expensive zip codes in the United States without having an occupation that pays you enough to survive, stop being a child and own the choice.

For a vast majority of Americans, a $2,000 a month mortgage payment provides a 3,000+ square foot home with crown molding, a two-car garage, and maybe even a private swimming pool. You would be able to have these things if you moved but you haven’t chose to do so. Complaining that $75,000 isn’t sufficient is like whining that you only want to stroll the beaches at night but you hate that you can’t get a tan.


You guys could do a lot worse than Man's Search For Meaning by Viktor Frankl.
I just wanted to read that book. Is it that bad?
 
just purchased. Thanks for the recommendation.

From Amazon:

Psychiatrist Viktor Frankl's memoir has riveted generations of readers with its descriptions of life in Nazi death camps and its lessons for spiritual survival. Between 1942 and 1945 Frankl labored in four different camps, including Auschwitz, while his parents, brother, and pregnant wife perished. Based on his own experience and the experiences of others he treated later in his practice, Frankl argues that we cannot avoid suffering but we can choose how to cope with it, find meaning in it, and move forward with renewed purpose. Frankl's theory-known as logotherapy, from the Greek word logos ("meaning")-holds that our primary drive in life is not pleasure, as Freud maintained, but the discovery and pursuit of what we personally find meaningful.

At the time of Frankl's death in 1997, Man's Search for Meaning had sold more than 10 million copies in twenty-four languages. A 1991 reader survey for the Library of Congress that asked readers to name a "book that made a difference in your life" found Man's Search for Meaning among the ten most influential books in America.
 
are you a psychologist and/or a latent anti-Semite.

Just telling it how it is here. The UK gave sanctuary here to the Jews persecuted by the pograms in Eastern Europe and Nazi Germany.

Now they persecute their arab minority in Israel ( formerly Palestine ), when they should be rehousing them in the occupied territories. Over 1 million arab refugees still live in sqalid camps in Jordan, Lebanon etc. People never learn.
 
From Amazon:

Frankl's theory-known as logotherapy, from the Greek word logos ("meaning")-holds that our primary drive in life is not pleasure, as Freud maintained, but the discovery and pursuit of what we personally find meaningful.
Only Amazon could disassociate the two.
 
Just telling it how it is here. The UK gave sanctuary here to the Jews persecuted by the pograms in Eastern Europe and Nazi Germany.
The UK has had large Jewish communities for hundreds of years across a broad range of mercantile and social strata and still do. They are as British as any other non-Jewish people tracing their lineage back to British roots from a dozen generations and longer.

To correct your implication in an earlier post, the Rothschilds were resident in England long before the turn of the 19th century and built and acquired substantial property as did many non-Jewish from the wealthy classes. To imply they did so as purely as a result of being Jewish and being given sanctuary is disingenuous.
 
Just telling it how it is here. The UK gave sanctuary here to the Jews persecuted by the pograms in Eastern Europe and Nazi Germany.

Now they persecute their arab minority in Israel ( formerly Palestine ), when they should be rehousing them in the occupied territories. Over 1 million arab refugees still live in sqalid camps in Jordan, Lebanon etc. People never learn.

you are full of it and know next to nothing about this phase of UK history.
http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/221
By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005468>
the UK admitted 40,000 and 6 million perished.


ever hear of the mcdonald white paper?
The White Paper of 1939, also known as the MacDonald White Paper after Malcolm MacDonald, the British Colonial Secretary who presided over it, was a policy paper issued by the British government under Neville Chamberlain in which the idea of partitioning the Mandate for Palestine, as recommended in the Peel Commission Report of 1937, was abandoned in favour of creating an independent Palestine governed by Palestinian Arabs and Jews in proportion to their numbers in the population by 1939 (section I). A limit of 75,000 Jewish immigrants was set for the five-year period 1940-1944, consisting of a regular yearly quota of 10,000, and a supplementary quota of 25,000, spread out over the same period, to cover refugee emergencies. After this cut-off date, further immigration would depend on the permission of the Arab majority (section II). Restrictions were also placed on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs (section III). <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939>

british performance was far from exemplary in regard to Jewish refugees.

". Over 1 million arab refugees still live in sqalid camps in Jordan, Lebanon etc. People never learn."

you are again full of it.
these people are in camps because the arab governments surrounding Israel keep them in camps and refuse to integrate them into their countries.

as to persecuting their arab minority in Israel where is the rush to the exits from these people. the answer is there is none because they don't want to live under the "benevolence" of Israel's surrounding arab governments.
 
Back
Top