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Uhh... and you know this how?

JB
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It flows from what the Creator knows for certain about His Creation. That would be You with a capital Y.

As far as He knows, You are not human, elf, mosquito, sasquatch, male, female or any "thing" else.

To suddenly barge in and prove that these ideas about Yourself are insane would be extremely antiproductive.

Because God knows You as perfect, He does not teach you anything.

There is nothing to teach You.

If God showed You Your perfection and proved that you were wrong about being a fairy, or a human, this would put you in an impossible situation.

In other words, you would be trapped. At that point you could just toss away the key forever.

As it is, you are only trapped to the degree you allow yourself to be trapped.

In this situation, you can develop your (small y) abilities to the point where they can get you out of a self-made trap...as impossible as it may seem.

This leaves you in charge of the Kingdom, with a Guide to find it, and a way to keep it.

You have a Guide to how to develop abilities, but you have no commander but yourself.

The Guide does not command. Nor does He answer questions before He is asked.

To command implies an inequality, and that is not a lesson He would teach. It is imperative that you learn what equality is all about in order to learn of Your perfection and find your way back.

God is certain You are not insane. What would be proved if He taught you were? Would you have Him lose His Own certainty?

And if you are what you teach, would you have God teach you that He was insane?

I say you are insane because I am your brother :)

We are in the same boat...having the same mind, sharing the same Kingdom.

But that is only a way to get your attention and show you a contrast between what you think you are, and Your perfection as you were created.

The Guide teaches you only to make you equal with Him.

You did not believe in your own perfection, and taught yourself wrongly that you are a human.

This requires some kind of split mind.

And would God teach you that you had made a split mind, when He knows Your mind only as whole?

All God knows about this area of your mind is that the doors are closed to communication, so you seem to be sleeping in a room.

He knows nothing about what you are dreaming of, ie. unicorns, mermaids, fairies, humans, white sandy beaches, death...etc.

All he thinks is, "My children sleep and must be awakened."

His methods are gentle.

He does not splash water on your face and turn on all the lights at once.

That would be an affront to You.

Jesus
 
Me:
Uhh... and you know this how?


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It flows from what the Creator knows for certain about His Creation. That would be You with a capital Y.

As far as He knows, You are not human, elf, mosquito, sasquatch, male, female or any "thing" else.

To suddenly barge in and prove that these ideas about Yourself are insane would be extremely antiproductive.

Because God knows You as perfect, He does not teach you anything.

There is nothing to teach You.

If God showed You Your perfection and proved that you were wrong about being a fairy, or a human, this would put you in an impossible situation.

In other words, you would be trapped. At that point you could just toss away the key forever.

As it is, you are only trapped to the degree you allow yourself to be trapped.

In this situation, you can develop your (small y) abilities to the point where they can get you out of a self-made trap...as impossible as it may seem.

This leaves you in charge of the Kingdom, with a Guide to find it, and a way to keep it.

You have a Guide to how to develop abilities, but you have no commander but yourself.

The Guide does not command. Nor does He answer questions before He is asked.

To command implies an inequality, and that is not a lesson He would teach. It is imperative that you learn what equality is all about in order to learn of Your perfection and find your way back.

God is certain You are not insane. What would be proved if He taught you were? Would you have Him lose His Own certainty?

And if you are what you teach, would you have God teach you that He was insane?

I say you are insane because I am your brother :)

We are in the same boat...having the same mind, sharing the same Kingdom.

But that is only a way to get your attention and show you a contrast between what you think you are, and Your perfection as you were created.

The Guide teaches you only to make you equal with Him.

You did not believe in your own perfection, and taught yourself wrongly that you are a human.

This requires some kind of split mind.

And would God teach you that you had made a split mind, when He knows Your mind only as whole?

All God knows about this area of your mind is that the doors are closed to communication, so you seem to be sleeping in a room.

He knows nothing about what you are dreaming of, ie. unicorns, mermaids, fairies, humans, white sandy beaches, death...etc.

All he thinks is, "My children sleep and must be awakened."

His methods are gentle.

He does not splash water on your face and turn on all the lights at once.

That would be an affront to You.

Jesus
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Just as I thought -- you *don't* know this and you're making it up as you go.

JB
 
Quote from Turok:

Me:
Uhh... and you know this how?





Just as I thought -- you *don't* know this and you're making it up as you go.

JB
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As a rule of thumb, all things will be just as you think.

How do you know that I don't know?

Is it because I said so?

But I've said a lot of things.

Why is it that suddenly what I say is true when I say I don't know?

What if everything else is true except the part where I said I don't know?

Why is that not just as valid?

Do you know what I mean?

Jesus
 
JohnnyK:
>How do you know that I don't know?

Uhhh... let's just call it a really, really good guess (or alternately, we could say that you failed miserably to present even a shred of evidence).

>Is it because I said so?

You didn't say so.

>But I've said a lot of things.

*That's* a undeniable fact.

>Do you know what I mean?

As you confuse jibber-jabber with evidence, even you don't know what you mean.

JB
 
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Uhhh... let's just call it a really, really good guess (or alternately, we could say that you failed miserably to present even a shred of evidence).
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That post was to first present evidence that you are guessing.

And guessing, concluding what you think...and calling it knowing.

So you think I'm doing the same.

That's pretty much how the worlds of perception are built.

Perception is a realm in which nothing is known...where everything is a "really, really good guess"...and none can trust another.

In the realm of perception, all your evidence will match what you guessed and concluded.

At some point you could say, "I must have guessed wrong" if the evidence does not bring you peace.

Peace of mind will be the first indicator that you've "guessed" correctly.

My posts are brought to you from a place of peace, and your first indicator should be that you feel peace when considering them.

As you realize that the message is seemless, and without internal conflict, peace spreads and deepens.

Initial evidence would consist of a more peaceful experience from day to day.

Further down the road evidence would include experience of direct revelation as you are reminded of your eternal truth in a way that goes beyond words. This gives certainty.

Peace comes from the realm of knowledge because it is the sign of non-conflict.

Only a state of non-guessing could yeild it. The evidence grows as that path is followed.

The question is what do you want? Peace or conflict?

At this point, the evidence you are capable of accepting includes a seemless description of the big picture in a way that brings you a sense of peace.

Why are you not seeing that?



Jesus
 
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Why do you suppose it is that God has never made an attempt to show himself other than to a few ignorant sheepherders thousands of years ago who thought thunder and lightening were god speaking?
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For God to acknowledge in any way that you were dreaming would be His support of your illusion and this is not possible.

God does not see You as being separate from His Mind.

So He does not hear any utterance that is reflective of a thought that you are separate from His Mind.

He sees You only as You are and that is in a state of perfection.

To see Yourself as a sheepherder who thinks that thunder and lightning are god speaking...these are the effects of a choice not to acknowledge your Self.

He does not acknowledge that choice as being real. He does not see you as ever having left your place in His Mind.

It is only the prodigal son who sees himself as separate, imperfect, and wandering in a strange land.

That is his choice.

Do you really want God to revoke this choice not to acknowledge your Self?

That's what such an appearance would do.

Besides that, it would leave you no Home to return to.

God is not outside You.

Any implication you hold within your mind that there is a force outside yourself will ultimately lead you to the conclusion there is a vengeful God.



Jesus
 
What happens after we die?

Is there a heaven? Is there a hell?

Is there a God?

The fact is, there is a yes or no answer to all of this questions. Just because we want one or the other to be true won't make it so. This is just like in trading, where we are not to be biased, but make our decisions based on reality.

I hope people will find out for themselves.

There have been many people throughout history who have tried to disprove God and the Bible. People alot smarter than me or most people on this board. That is what I suggest you do. Simon Greenleaf, founder of Harvard Law School was one. Cecile B Demille. Lee Strobel.

There is also an amazing book by a lady named Jackie Pullinger called "Chasing the Dragon." It's a pretty powerful book. I would be hard pressed to argue against the existence of God after reading that book. I would really encourage some people here to read it. You have nothing to fear. I would love to hear any comments about this book.

Here's the deal. We are ALL GOING TO DIE ONE DIE. That's fact. It's not something we like to think about, but it's true. I think it would be wise, while we still have life, to find out as much as we can what happens after we die. What truth is. If there is truth. We spend countless hours trading and researching. We should at least spend a few hours on these very important questions.
 
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This is just like in trading, where we are not to be biased, but make our decisions based on reality.
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With respect dave, this is not just like trading. Although often carried out through wishful thinking, I agree, trading decisions are based on reality, with outcomes becoming known in reality. But compared to trading, God and Bible decisions can only be based on an abstract notion toward various conjectured outcomes, supported by wishful thinking.
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There have been many people throughout history who have tried to disprove God and the Bible. People alot smarter than me or most people on this board.
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The flipside to your comment is, no confirmation anywhere, throughout history, proves God and the Bible are things of truth.
If trying to disprove imaginary concepts like God is not all that smart, trying to prove them is no smarter.
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I would be hard pressed to argue against the existence of God after reading that book.
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Would that be because you think those who try to prove God this case in a book, might somehow be smarter?
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What truth is. If there is truth. We spend countless hours trading and researching. We should at least spend a few hours on these very important questions.
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You could always start with the reality and truth a trade, an empty coffee cup, or a baseball bat provides.
 
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