Quote from Turok:
zTroll:
>Fact it LongShot, you simply cannot fathom concepts
>beyond your limited mindset
Don't feel bad LS -- zTroll's limited mindset prevents him from fathoming the otherwise simple concept of his god + 1 = Gilbert. (Praise be)
JB
Quote from Turok:
zTroll:
>Too stupid for words, this Gilbert + 1...
Hey now, don't start trying to add to Gilbert... There isn't a Gilbert + 1. There is only God + 1 and *that* is Gilbert.
Geeez -- It's really entertaining to watch someone with a limited mindset attempt to wrestle with concepts clearly beyond them.
To each his own... you are free to continue with your myopic view of what is possible.
Carry on.
JB
Quote from I am...:
. . .
Can you see yourself within a body and know yourself as an idea? No.Actually, yes I have & do make this distinction quite easily. Self as an intellectual/psychological construct - straight forwad - perception & language constitute reality - no mental gymnastics required here. 1st year philosophy.
Quote from I am...:
The body is a limit on love. . .
. . .Love's total lack of limit is it's meaning.
. . .There is one thing you have never done. You have not utterly forgotten the body.
The body has perhaps faded at time from your sight, but it has not yet completely disappeared.
You are not asked to let this happen for more than an instant.
Yet it is in this instant that the miracle of Atonement happens.
Afterwards, you will see the body again, but never quite the same.Spoken as only A man would. Presumption borne of thinking only about your own possible range of experiences, ignorant (in true patriachal style) of those denied you based purely on a twist of DNA.
I have experienced the full transcendental power of nature, the collective conscious, the whole of which I am part, truly twice in my life, for more than an instant. 'I' have offered 'myself' up willingly & it is the most liberating, exhilarating 'experience'. Not at all like the mythology that has (accidentally?) arisen around it and which sees women sadly numbed with drugs and denied an absolute re-birth as one with nature & their babies.
I experience the limitless-ness of love having been it's absolute conduit, in a way that you as A man will never experience. Out of this experience there has been but one conclussion for me to draw, despite the conditioning boundaries set by fables writ large by men, I found no all-seeing 'entity' - Just that what is, is. There is everything & nothing & it doesn't mean anything.
My body will never be the same but I know love as assuredly as you are sitting at a keyboard proclaiming yourself to be the real version of the 'son of man'.
Quote from I am...:
. . . However, I am interested in saving you time.Judging by the amount of time you spend on your keyboard every day waxing lyrical, saving time is certainly not part of your agenda!
One thing I am curious about though, how do you manage the keyboard typing all these messages, when, as you claim to have transcended the physical, you patently don't have fingers? Or is it just us taking the long way?
My final contribution in this 'no you prove it to me' tail chasing is this (not that it matters, but I like to play too!) - The only limited thinking I see being espoused here is the notion that all the wonders of which we are a part are bound by the actions/desires/intentions of a single entity/personality (not saying this is your claim 'I am' - you are clearly stranded on a completely different island).
I believe:
- we are part of something much more beautiful & unlimited than the mere fancies of a personal God (the necessary complexity of which will seem absurd compared to the simple perfect beauty yet to be revealed)
- whatever the truth is it is knowable & understandable & the work is being done toward this (perhaps in a minute fashion even here)
- that once unravelled the 'knowing' isn't going to change a single thing. It will all still be what it is - we'll just 'know' more about it.
Quote from Turok:
Now, I've known that your limited mindset has difficulty with concepts beyond your simple god, but as it turns out you even have difficulty with simple math...
Considering your repeated attempts to turn "god + 1" into "Gilbert + 1", that is a very amusing statement.
JB
