What is your religion or lack therof?

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from the Disgusting Alcoholic Hypocrite ZTroll
A poor man can think about being a billionaire, he can imagine being a billionaire, he can imagine what it would be like to never run out of money...and equally, man can think about God's nature which is eternal, unlimited, and omnipresent.

I defy anyone on either side of the religion debate to post and tell me what this analogy means.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from anti ad hominem:


I have no expectation nor desire to change your mind - it just doesn't matter. I ask only that you leave out the assertion in your line of argument, that you have cornered the market on universal absolutes about what your fellow man are capable of experiencing based upon whether or not they believe in god. It is hardly christian of you!

I see by your join date that you are a newer member. Possibly you are unaware that this disgusting Troll has been thrice banned from ET, and is infamous for his tendency to assert, then deny, then pretend that he can't hear those who make requests for clarifications engendered by the contradictions in his posts.

The Disgusting Troll thrives on drawing in unsuspecting prey and saying whatever is necessary in order to involve them. See this post for a lucid explanation of Troll behaviour.

When the Disgusting Alcoholic starts to reply by

a) cutting and pasting your text into a blank reply and clicking send

b) threatening anal penetration (apologies, Mom)

c) posting bizarre pictures from his apparently vast catalogues

this is when you know you have owned him. These types of replies mean "I am feeling uncomfortable and I want to change the subject".

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...302784&highlight=troll+zoologists#post1302784

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

"Drawing conclusions that are obvious only to you, and making absolute statements about the definition and nature of others experience."

Obviously only to me?

LOL!

You know this is obvious only to me? Not a single person beside me finds the conclusions obvious?

Too funny.

Thanks for the obvious logical fallacy, which makes continuing with you obviously a waste of time...

p.s. I am not a Christian, so your comments of:

"It is hardly christian of you!"

are not only meaningless, but extremely ad hominem in nature. I guess it goes with the handle...being so "anti ad hominem."

Didn't take long for you to wet yourself, did it?

Quote from anti ad hominem:

You see there you go again. Drawing conclusions that are obvious only to you, and making absolute statements about the definition and nature of others experience. By what authority do you determine the capacity of experience of your fellow man - the authority of the church, what you read in the bible, your personal experince of the material world.

Don't believe in God = contracted life, limited happiness & mental processes based upon material conclusion. it can't be any other way in your imagining. But show me how this necessarily follows? It might be limited for you, but that doesn't make it so for everyone. Perhaps it is your faculties that are limited?

I am a mother, a wife, a humanitarian, a trader & community volunteer. I know unlimited happiness, unlimited love & unlimited sorrow - often in one day! All of the things you would ascribe to a knowledge of god. I don't even have to have faith to experience it - it just is. The feelings are no less real, and no less abstract just because they are based upon the existence of people I can see. I promise you my life is bound by no limit, in either what I am capable of feeling or creating, just because I do not believe in god. My material life is bound only by the same thing as yours, a material death. Whatever happens after this life is simply not my concern, it has no relevance for me and it makes no difference, for all I need is what I have now, I am happy & I am always striving to expand my life & the lives of others.

I have no expectation nor desire to change your mind - it just doesn't matter. I ask only that you leave out the assertion in your line of argument, that you have cornered the market on universal absolutes about what your fellow man are capable of experiencing based upon whether or not they believe in god. It is hardly christian of you!

 

[bmwhendrix]

To everyone on this thread. There are professionals and numerous medications that can help all of you!!!!!!!.

Get! Over! it!

 

[anti ad hominem]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

....
Thanks for the obvious logical fallacy, which makes continuing with you obviously a waste of time...

and yet you are still here

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Didn't take long for you to wet yourself, did it?

Yeah from laughing & a little bit as a legacy of having birthed two children the way nature intended! See ya round.

 

[I am...]

Quote from traderNik:

I defy anyone on either side of the religion debate to post and tell me what this analogy means.

It's like that part in my parable of the wayward Son who left home and squandered his inheritance in a far off land.

When he is down and out he remembers that things were better at home.

Everyone in this world is poor, having invested in illusions.

To be in this world, you had to sacrifice everything for a small bit of dust to call your own.

To think about the true attributes of God is to think about your own attributes, because in Creation, he gave everything he had to all.

This is the inheritance everyone must squander to appear in this strange land.

And what are all those who come here doing? They are looking for that thing that is more than everything. They are looking for everything + 1, so-to-speak.

And for a body and a special relationship, all who come here have sold out 99.999% of their part in the Kingdom of God.

There is not a single billionaire on earth who can come even close to the kind of wealth every Son has equally in the Kingdom.

Ponder this to re-align your perception toward reality.



Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from anti ad hominem:

I know unlimited happiness, unlimited love & unlimited sorrow - often in one day! All of the things you would ascribe to a knowledge of god.

Sorrow is not known or experienced by God. His is constant happiness and joy unchanging.

Elusive happiness, or happiness in changing form that shifts with time and place, is an illusion that has no meaning.

Happiness must be constant, because it is attained by giving up the wish for the inconstant.

Joy cannot be perceived except through constant vision. And constant vision can be given only those who wish for constancy.

The constancy of joy is a condition quite alien to your understanding. Yet if you could even imagine what it must be, you would desire it although you understand it not.

The constancy of happiness has no exceptions...no change of any kind. It is unshakable as is the Love of God for His creation.

Reason will tell you that you cannot ask for happiness inconstantly. For if what you desire you recieve, and happiness is constant, then you need ask for it but once to have it always. And if you do not have it always, being what it is, you did not ask for it.

God gives you constant happiness, and appeals to you to recognize what he has given. In a single instant you can recognize the constant peace you could experience forever.

Preparation for this instant does not include the maintenance of the denial of truth.

Jesus

 

[stu]

Quote from I am...:
If pain is real, there is no God.

Jesus

Pain and consequences. Truth via the Baseball Bat Test.
Confirming reality... even to hippies.

 

[overtooled]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Unless he has experience being a billionaire, of course it is abstract. He takes his own experiences, then imagines on the basis of that. He has had some money, he has purchased things, so he projects in his mind in an abstract manner what it would be like to have a billion dollars, what it would be like to now worry about money, etc.

It is not a concrete reality for him, it is an imagination, though it is possible that one day he may become a billionaire.

Yet his abstract thinking is still within a limited field, as even if he were the wealthiest man on earth, there is a limit to the wealth. No man has infinite and unending wealth, that is not possible, because the nature of this world is finite, not infinite.

Human beings experience limited happiness, limited minds, limited physical properties, limited life, limited love, limited beauty, etc. Everything is this world comes in limited quantities, not Unlimited. God has the exact opposite qualities, as God by definition has no limitations whatsoever.

The abstract thinking is found in the imagination and or meditation of a Personality who is not limited in any manner, does not ever die, was not ever born, who has no limits to intelligence, no limits to power, no limits to life, exists beyond the boundaries of time and space limitations, etc. This Personality is known by many as God.

"I will however argue against any presupposition that only those who do believe in God are using the full capacity of their intellectual & imaginative functions as a point of obviousness."

If you are imagining and thinking abstractly about a Personality with all the qualities as described above, then whatever you call that Personality, that Personality is God.

You must have arrogant vision, if you see arrogance.

It is simply a matter of what people want. If they want limited happiness, they seek it in this world and in mental processes based on limited material conclusion, if they want something unlimited, they think of, dwell in thoughts of, and seek God's Love.

It is not for me to tell people what to seek, but there clearly is a difference between going for the limited or the Unlimited.

It is simply a matter of YOU making the decision to believe. Obvious from the last 20+ pages or so that you can't justify your position or support it on a rational plane. In the rigorous sense, you don't even have an "opinion" , all you have is a "decision", a decision to believe despite the logical contradictions and lack of substantive evidence for your belief.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

It is simply a matter of YOU making the decision not to believe.

Your choice.

Limits are everywhere in this world, and you don't believe that there is something Unlimited.

Your choice.

Everywhere in this world we see opposite values, but there is no opposite value to that which is limited?

We see partial values, but there is no whole value?

Again, your intellectual choice to argue from limited instruments to limited conclusions...

There are no logical contradictions, as even in the narrow field of mathematics we have concepts of unlimited values...even though there is no material equivalent of infinity that is observed by the limited senses.

Quote from overtooled:

It is simply a matter of YOU making the decision to believe. Obvious from the last 20+ pages or so that you can't justify your position or support it on a rational plane. In the rigorous sense, you don't even have an "opinion" , all you have is a "decision", a decision to believe despite the logical contradictions and lack of substantive evidence for your belief.