What is the revenue maximizing tax rate?

Quote from jagadish:

American income tax rates from 1944 to 1963 were 92%

You come across as rather ignorant and biased in you approach to this topic.
 
Quote from piezoe:

You meant. of course, the rate on the top bracket. We must be paying even more now as government has grown along with deficits. But of course few recognize how great their total tax burden is, because what they are not paying in direct taxes is being effectively confiscated via inflation. This indirect method of "collecting" taxes is favorable to politicians and to the wealthy, who spend a smaller fraction of their total wealth on inflated goods and services than do the poor. The wealthy can hedge what they don't spend against inflation. The poor, and those with low fixed incomes, do not hedge. They spend virtually all their income.

This is the main reason that indirect taxation via inflation, over time, damages the fabric of society, and why direct taxation is a better means of financing government. If low tax rates are wanted, the best way to achieve them is through a combination of high average individual productivity and government frugality.

Do you have any proof at all for any single one of those assertions? If so, I'd like to see it.
 
It's true that "published" tax rates went has high as 91%, but nobody actually paid those rates. During 1940s-1960s there was something called "non-recourse leveraged tax shelters" that wealthy people used to lower their taxes. The last of the allowable non-recourse leveraged tax shelters were eliminated in the 1980s.

A study done by the IRS in 2003 showed that the upper 1% of income earners in the 1950s paid about 25% of their income in federal taxes. In other words, even though the published rates rates went as high as 90%, the actual "effective rate" was only 25% because of the use of tax shelters.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the high rates back in the 1950s didn't kick until you made over $200k (70%), and then again at $400k (91%). In today's dollars that would be about $2.5 million and $5 million.


Quote from jagadish:

American income tax rates from 1944 to 1963 were 92%
 
Quote from trefoil:

Do you have any proof at all for any single one of those assertions? If so, I'd like to see it.

Some of my assertions are, I believe, self evident; the others are strictly my personal opinion. I would be happy to hear counter arguments that are logically consistent.

For example, would you think the typical voter would rather have lower tax rates and higher inflation, or higher tax rates and lower inflation? I don't think the choice has ever been put to voters stated in that way, but the stump speeches of politicians and their actions answer the question for us. Voters would rather have low lower tax rates. As a consequence revenue shortfalls from lower direct taxation are made up by borrowing. The debt can be monetized to one extent or another and the result is inflation, though that is not by any means the sole source of inflation, as I know you understand.

The assertion that indirect taxation via inflation damages the fabric of society is strictly my personal opinion, based on what segments of society should be hit hardest by inflation. I don't think this position is provable, as there are too many other factors to consider as well. You just have to accept it as logical or reject it favor of a counter argument.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Some of my assertions are, I believe, self evident; the others are strictly my personal opinion. I would be happy to hear counter arguments that are logically consistent.

For example, would you think the typical voter would rather have lower tax rates and higher inflation, or higher tax rates and lower inflation? I don't think the choice has ever been put to voters stated in that way, but the stump speeches of politicians and their actions answer the question for us. Voters would rather have low lower tax rates. As a consequence revenue shortfalls from lower direct taxation are made up by borrowing. The debt can be monetized to one extent or another and the result is inflation, though that is not by any means the sole source of inflation, as I know you understand.

The assertion that indirect taxation via inflation damages the fabric of society is strictly my personal opinion, based on what segments of society should be hit hardest by inflation. I don't think this position is provable, as there are too many other factors to consider as well. You just have to accept it as logical or reject it favor of a counter argument.

Wotta load of hand waving. No proof at all.
 
By the way, when I wrote "we must be paying more now" I obviously did not mean that the highest tax bracket is greater now. I meant that the total of direct taxation plus the inflation tax combined must be greater. That is one of the self-evident statements I made that does not require any proof. Comparing the Federal budget then and now will show it to be true.
 
Oh please. I didn't make a single assertion. All I did was ask you for some documented proof of that load of bs.
You got nothing. You still have precisely squat.
 
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