What is the best country to leave the US for?

[fatrat]

Quote from Allen3:

That was one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. Get your self into a history class. Get some perspective. You are trying to get a masters degree. Either you have the money or are able to borrow the money to pay for that. Your work study job or stipend is more than many yearly incomes in the places you might want to flee to. Everyone in this country is not always as tolerant as I would like them to be, but I have been to many other countries where races are so much more separated than in the USA. Get a grip! If not. Please, please, please, leave the country before you start having kids. I would not want mine in class with your narrow minded offspring.

What is ignorant about my description of the plight of the Jews? There's not much different in how Hitler had the the Reichstag burned to seize power and how the Bush administration over-dramatizes 9/11 to seize power. Now they disrespect habeus corpus, illegally wiretap citizens, send in federal agents into anti-war groups, and break the arms of female anti-war protesters. The state also has the right to our lives with the draft, and lays claim to the fruits of our labor with an IRS and a 16th amendment that was never properly ratified.

Who is the ignorant one here? Certainly not me. If there's anything we can learn from how the Jews got slaughtered in WWII, we can learn that there's a good time to escape tyranny and a bad time.

Incidentally, the best time to think about leaving, imo, is not in front of the ovens in the concentration camps.

You won't have to worry about your children being in class with mine, since they'll face the ovens as a result of your inability to accept that the US is no longer the "land of the free."

 

[fatrat]

Your abuse of punctuation signals to me that you're either retarded, foreign, or both.

Please tell me which country you are from so I can scratch that destination off my list. If it's the US, then you've already substantiated my case.

Quote from Eddiefl:

Quote from fatrat:

You probably would have said the same thing to the Jews who tried to leave Germany before the holocaust.





Miss Fatrat,,,, your a complete moron as well as a wussbag. And your quote above sums it all up. If you can connect my message: that you wont be happy anywhere and have no love for this country with the Holocaust,,,, then I got some swamp land to sell you,, .

go back to school first and be thankfull for what we have here, this is till the best country in the World, by far.

We hit some rough seas in this country and all of a sudden almost every other country in the World would be better to live in than the U.S.,?!?!?!, , just leave now,, dont ask for opinions,, just go.

 

[TraDaToR]

Quote from fatrat:

That is because immigrants can't get jobs in France and actively burn down the French cities and towns.

In the US, the immigrants just march on the streets and demand citizenship in exchange for cleaning toilets.

I live in France and what happened had nothing to do with civil revendications. It was just a bunch of stupid guys thrashing everything they could including a lot of factories where immigrants were employed.

France is like any other country, if you really want a job, you will find it. But people are too accustomed to welfare here ( immigrants AND native frenchies ) and have been lazy for so much time that it's hard to move things.

Considering the topic of the thread, don't consider France as a place for trading. Taxes are awful here, even if getting better with Sarko's arrival.

 

[fseitun]

I would also rule out Italy for the same reasons.

Left-wing government keeps raising taxes year in year out.

Capital gain tax is still the lowest of the European Union, 12.50%.

It won't last long though.

 

[Mamet]

Quote from rwk:

This is an interesting idea, and one that I have been contemplating. But I don't think it is as simple as it sounds. The IRS considers trading gains as miscellaneous unearned income. (That unearned part sounds kind of cheeky, as though it is somehow undeserved. ) That means we need to use some kind of entity (e.g. corporation) to convert gains to salary. That entails extra cost and paperwork, and runs the risk, however small, of the whole thing being disallowed. Then we need to be careful that the corporation doesn't end up owing taxes.

I have been thinking about ways to pair the earned income exclusion with living abroad as a migrant. Most countries will allow me to stay 6 months without a visa. I am thinking about spending winters in the south and summers in the north (e.g. Canada and Mexico, or Britain and Spain). The catch is all that moving.

Unfortunately I do not have a very large budge for tax & legal advice.

[rwk]

I'm not a tax advisor so take my advice for what it's worth, but I have researched this stuff previously and from what I understand the situation is as follows - the $82k exception only applies to money earned which comes from the foreign country you are living in.

If you got a job working for Airbus and made $80k, you would not pay any American taxes.

If you traded Boeing stock and made an $80k profit, you would pay taxes on the whole amount.

Even if you started a corporation and traded through that, if you were trading American stocks I'm still quite sure the $82k exception would not apply.

Additionally the US has rules against renouncing your US citizenship for the purpose of avoiding taxes. I think someone mentioned this earlier in the thread. I don't know how well they enforce it, and if you never plan on coming back to the US it probably wouldn't be an issue, but if you're going to take the plunge and do this you should really talk to a tax advisor instead of the ET tax advisors, because not paying taxes in the US may be more difficult than you think.

As far as places to live, I would recommend Brazil. I spent three months there earlier this year. Rio is alright, but the smaller cities in the south are fantastic. Nice beaches, nice weather, a laid back lifestyle, and gorgeous girls. At the same time there's solid infrastructure. It's a nice compromise between the conveniences of the modern world and the charm of a tropical island. Their government and currency are no better or worse than most others, but currency shouldn't be a consideration for you because if you're a trader you can easily enough hedge yourself against drops in the local currency. Nobody speaks English, but Portuguese is very easy to learn. There's a lot of diversity in Brazil, and although there's a large gap in the average incomes of the blacks vs whites there is very little racism.

Thus concludes my travel brochure

In the end I think it all comes down to is personal taste. I would choose Brazil, maybe you would prefer the Canadian wilderness. If you really want to leave the US you should choose 4 places, live in each one for 3 months, and then choose the one you liked best after a year. Renting apartments and travelling is so easy these days that there's no need to lock yourself in to something too early. As an American you will have no problem getting a long term visa in most places, provided you have enough money to show them.

 

[Eddiefl]

Quote from fatrat:

There's not much different in how Hitler had the the Reichstag burned to seize power and how the Bush administration over-dramatizes 9/11 to seize power. The state also lays claim to the fruits of our labor with an IRS

Who is the ignorant one here? Certainly not me. If there's anything we can learn from how the Jews got slaughtered in WWII, we can learn that there's a good time to escape tyranny and a bad time.




Dear Miss Fatrat,

Not only can I see you are a geeky bookworm and not in a cool way. I can also see you have been in school too long. Your comments above pretty much sum up you are defintely still a student...Beware of listening to your porofessor in non-hard science classes too much. There is a reason they never left college,, think about that.....



Good luck to you, I see a difficult time ahead for you in the real business world, unless you grow some balls and get the fog out of your head........ by the way Homeland securtity has your IP address, they are coming to get you...lol,,,

E.F.

 

[fatrat]

Quote from Mamet:

As far as places to live, I would recommend Brazil. I spent three months there earlier this year. Rio is alright, but the smaller cities in the south are fantastic. Nice beaches, nice weather, a laid back lifestyle, and gorgeous girls. At the same time there's solid infrastructure. It's a nice compromise between the conveniences of the modern world and the charm of a tropical island. Their government and currency are no better or worse than most others, but currency shouldn't be a consideration for you because if you're a trader you can easily enough hedge yourself against drops in the local currency. Nobody speaks English, but Portuguese is very easy to learn. There's a lot of diversity in Brazil, and although there's a large gap in the average incomes of the blacks vs whites there is very little racism.

What are Brazilian gun laws like?

I'd like to be able to have, at the very least, semi-automatic weapons for self-defense. Concealed weapons are a bonus.

 

[fseitun]

Quote from fatrat:

What are Brazilian gun laws like?

I'd like to be able to have, at the very least, semi-automatic weapons for self-defense. Concealed weapons are a bonus.

You wanna leave abroad and still behave like an American???

Forget about them guns already!

 

[fatrat]

Quote from fseitun:

You wanna leave abroad and still behave like an American???

Forget about them guns already!

Guns are the only protection citizens have against a state that is not acting in their interests.

 

[Mamet]

Quote from fatrat:

What are Brazilian gun laws like?

I'd like to be able to have, at the very least, semi-automatic weapons for self-defense. Concealed weapons are a bonus.

Uh... I hope to move to the south of Brazil some day, so on second thought maybe I don't want you living near me.

To be honest I'm not sure what exactly the gun laws are, and they may have different rules for locals and foreigners. However, I think the gun laws aren't too restrictive because in the slums of Rio and Sao Paulo they have big problems with gun violence. If all else fails you can wander into one of those and offer some cash.

That said, in the south the crime rate is low. If the goal is to live frugally the worst that can happen is that you'll be mugged for your cash, and even that is unlikely. If you drive around in a ferrari and build a castle in the sand, then you would be better off hiring bodyguards than hiding a semi-automatic rifle in your swimsuit.