What is conciousness?

A deep question is, is emotion needed for conciousness? I say yes! That is not trivial and probably lies at the heart of all Philosophy.
 
jimmiebarton said:
Yes, but defining God is tricky too. Or "large vs "small".

we have to start defining term somewhere?

Can we at least agree, some degree of complexity of connection is necessary? For instance, one neuronal connection is insufficient??? correct?
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See above. I suspect if you get emotion, you get conciousness as a side effect. Or is it the other way around?
 
nitro said:
See above. I suspect if you get emotion, you get conciousness as a side effect. Or is it the other way around?
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another good question too is conciousness dependent on a minimum # of neuronal connections, or something else such as the way they are connected?

of course, the answer is dependent on the definition and you won't won't even take a stab at committing to one, so...WTF you taking about:confused::D
 
Is morality possible without emotion? I say no. While we shoud be afraid of only AI-complete cybernetic devices, I don't think we should be afraid of Emotion-Complete [I just invented that term] cybernetic devices because they will also develop moral values.
 
nitro said:
Notice emotion is not part of AI-complete. Probably why we are not getting anywhere:

AI-complete
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the division on AI into these two broad categories only speaks to the infancy of AI research, not true dichotomy. these lines will blur with time and understanding. (i don't really get why you don't get that?) those are some 'broad strokes" there, that really don't add anything to understanding.
 
nitro said:
Is morality possible without emotion? I say no. While we shoud be afraid of only AI-complete cybernetic devices, I don't think we should be afraid of Emotion-Complete [I just invented that term] cybernetic devices because they will also develop moral values.
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is "just-us" a moral value? taking care of your tribe? taking care of business, or family at exclusion of all other tribes? "just-usis this moral?
 
"Emotion" is a problematic word. I believe that we have a spirit body that helps us to interact with the world. I have proven same to my own satisfaction in fact. I find that if I'm aware of my chakras of my feet and knees while walking it is way less difficult. In fact I've seen that the physical world moves to accomodate my footsteps! That simple thing gives me the ability to walk on top of a narrow wall in fact whereas before the discovery of the chakras I was unable to do that. So sensations from the spirit body can be termed "emotion".

Sensations from our minds like programmed knee jerk reactions to things can be termed "emotion" also.

Further, in my explorations of Christianity I've discovered a lot about what the Bible terms "the flesh". This is misunderstood by the typical Bible College person if not all scholars. It's about lies that the devil has gotten each of us to believe which give him partial control over our flesh and cause us to lose the ability to hear from God. The upshot of the will of the flesh can also result in actions that can be termed "emotion".
 
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Table of Contents
The Purpose-Guided Universe
The God Theory
PREFACE
INTRODUCTION
Is There Any Chance It Could Come About?
A Purpose-Guided Universe
Not Intelligent Design
Three Different Possibilities
CHAPTER 1. Science and Religion
An Infinite Number of Universes vs. One Great
Intelligence
Belief Systems
The Problem
String Theory
Having Faith
A Better Notion of God
Consciousness Creating Reality
CHAPTER 2:Quantum Reality
An Ideal Quantum Experiment
Waves and Particles
The Wavefunction
Schroedinger's Cat
Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment:
If You Come to a Fork in the Road... Take It
Consciousness
CHAPTER 3: The Finely-Tuned Universe
A Universe Made for Life
The Force of Gravity to the Electric (Coulomb) Force
The Nuclear Force
The Density of Matter
The Dark Matter Ratio
The Even Bigger Mystery of Dark Energy
Quantum Clumps
The Chemistry of Life: Carbon and Oxygen
That Ordinary Extraordinary Liquid: Water
Which is Heavier? Neutron or Proton
What Happened to all the Anti-matter?
What to Make of This
CHAPTER 4: The Perennial Philosophy
The Perennial Philosophy
Requisite Conditions
Eddington and Einstein
Eddington and His Inner Light
The Universe Begins to Look More Like a Great
Thought than Like a Great Machine
CHAPTER 5: Thou Art That
A Little Theology
Consciousness and Causes
Beginning of Time
Meister Eckhart
Finding God Within
The Mystical Experience: "I and the Father are One"
CHAPTER 6: The God Theory
God and Godhead
What Does this Mumbo-jumbo Mean?
A Mental Universe
The Question of Why
If We Are God, Why Don't We Know That?
Role of Evolution
Does Consciousness Evolve to an Omega Point?
CHAPTER 7: Staying Out of Heaven
The Standard Model of Life
Creation by Subraction
God as Timeless Absolute
Experiencing Timelessness
Mystical vs. Psychedelic
Can You Really Train for Enlightenment?
A World of Polarity
CHAPTER 8: Consciousness and Reality
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
Superseding the Clockwork Universe
The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) Thought
Experiment
Bohm
Quantum Spin
Bell's Inequality
Locality, Realism and the Leggett Formula
CHAPTER 9: The Post-Physics Era
The End of the Physics Age
The Post-Physics Age
The Issue of Consciousness
CHAPTER 10: The Primacy of Consciousness
Are You Nothing But a Pack of Neurons?
Quantum Mechanics Requires Consciousness
Shifting Consciousness
A Three-way Battle of Beliefs
Reason for Hope
CHAPTER 11: Where Do Things Stand?
Multiverse or Creator?
Consciousness and Free Will
Evolution
Can a Smart Person Believe in God?
A Purpose
TABLE: The Ten Critical Properties of the Universe
BIBLIOGRAPHY
INDEX
UQ
 
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