This is a settled issue, because Roe v. Wade was a brilliant decision. A fetus is not a person, just like an acorn is not an oak tree. The only arguments against abortion all stem from theocratic bullshit.Quote from Mercor:
The basis of the argument is whether a fetus has rights of Due Process like all persons or if a fetus is just property of its "owner". I hope we are well past the days when a person who seems different then us can be considered property only based on dependency.
It's possible I'm telling you something you've heard before but here it is anyway: a fetus is not a person. A person has brainwave activity. Are you familiar with the expression "brain death"? It means all brainwave activity has stopped, so that person is legally dead. So if legal death is cessation of brainwave activity, then human life doesn't start until brainwave activity begins. Roe v. Wade was a brilliant decision that took this into account. You get a person in the third trimester, not at conception. Even the ancient Hebrews who spawned Christianity knew this much about human development. Only modern Christians are stupid enough to believe that humanity-at-conception bullshit.Quote from peilthetraveler:
A woman has the right to do what she wants with her body...but that being said, she doesnt have the right to destroy her unborn baby because thats not her body. It has completely different DNA which means its a completely different human being and no human has the right to do something to harm another human.
As Jim Crow proved, human rights are too important to be left up to individual states. A woman's reproductive rights supercede Alabama's interests.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
Abortion is a medical procedure. Every other medical procedure is regulated by the states. Most conservatives take the position that abortion also should be a matter of state regulation, as it concerns two matters that are purely within the states' authority under our federal system, namely medicine and criminal law.
Even liberal constitutional scholars recognize that Roe v. Wade is a joke of a decision, based not on constitutional principles but raw judicial fiat.
In saying that pro choice was a conservative position, Cain displayed the lack of depth that concerns me about him as a possible candidate. Legitimate conservatives can have a range of views on how abortion should be regulated, but I don't believe any true conservative can argue that it is not a matter for the states to decide.
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...A woman's reproductive rights supercede Alabama's interests.
I've never met a male anti-abortionist who wasn't an autocrat wrt women. It's very simple: if you don't like abortions, then don't have one. Now since men can't have abortions, it boils down to misogynistic thugs trying to impose their own wills on those who can and do get pregnant. Fuck 'em and their fascist bullshit.
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Right, you goobers want the guvmint out of everybody's bizzness. Except a woman's womb of course. Gotta have the guvmint in every womb, it say so somewheres in the Bible.
Oh yeah, gotta have the Book of Genesis taught in every biology class. I sure that be somewheres in the Bible too.
Pretty soon you "small guvmint" shit-talkers will enforce mandatory church attendance, and mandatory titheing, yada yada yada.
The truth is, you're not against all big government, you're just against big government that doesn't promote your theocratic horseshit.