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What if we become a neutral country? Like Switzerland
- Thread starter noob_trad3r
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Quote from NeoRio1:
It was a good point only if the point made did not emphasize intervention in WW1. The results of WW1 brought about Hitler. Our weak foreign policy when it came to addressing Hitler brought about WW2.
After WW1 Republicans gained power and advocated traditional conservativsim with isolationist policies in the 1920's. Originally Roosevelt disagreed with Republicans and the majority of the country by advocating an active role for the United States in international affairs. The problem Roosevelt had was that his highest priority was to address domestic causes and consequences of the depression. Therefore in order keep the support for the New Deal with the general public Roosevelt had to keep a tame foreign policy.
In the 1930's the league of nations condemned Japanese and German aggression. Roosevelt in order to keep support for the New Deal did not enlist the nation in the league's attempts to keep the peace. Roosevelt also looked the other way when Hitler rearmed Germany and recalled its representative to the league in 1933, declaring that the international organization sought to deter Germany's national ambitions.
After years of facist victories American isolationism eventually eroded.
I saw a deal onf FDR a couple of years ago. One of those multi hour History channel deal.
The country was so mad that they got pulled into WW1 that the public wanted no part what so part whatsoever of War in the 30's.
FDR got elected his second term by promising not to go to war even though he knew it would be necessary to do so.
Had we not gotten into WW1 then we would have not been isolationist during the 30's and could have probably done something much sooner to head Hitler off.
Quote from NeoRio1:
It was a good point only if the point made did not emphasize intervention in WW1. The results of WW1 brought about Hitler. Our weak foreign policy when it came to addressing Hitler brought about WW2.
Where do you think the 'results of WW1' originated ? U.S. intervention in WW1 allowed the western powers to win a decisive victory over Germany. The war would have been fought to a standstill, without US intervention. (Russia dropped out when the Germans smuggled Lenin into that country. But, thats a whole different subject.) - - Because of the U.S. involvement the western powers won, which led to the crippling war reparations that eventually brought Hitler to power. - - - If the US hadn't entered the totally senseless WW1, World War 2 would likely never have been fought. - - -
(Thats not to say Some kind of war wouldnt have been fought Somewhere. Human beings seem to have a talent for creating them.)
Quote from Tigerjaw:
Where do you think the 'results of WW1' originated ? U.S. intervention in WW1 allowed the western powers to win a decisive victory over Germany. The war would have been fought to a standstill, without US intervention. (Russia dropped out when the Germans smuggled Lenin into that country. But, thats a whole different subject.) - - Because of the U.S. involvement the western powers won, which led to the crippling war reparations that eventually brought Hitler to power. - - - If the US hadn't entered the totally senseless WW1, World War 2 would likely never have been fought. - - -
(Thats not to say Some kind of war wouldnt have been fought Somewhere. Human beings seem to have a talent for creating them.)
We basically agree.
US intervention and reparations caused Hitler's beginning. Isolationism caused Hitlers power. Intervention in WW1 is the major reason for WW2 but it is important to look at both the intervention and isolationism.
Intervention will always create negative consequences when there is no real threat. Isolationism will always create negative consequences when there is an actual threat.
Intervention in WW1 created negative consequences. Isolationism after WW1 created negative consequences. Intervention lit the fuse.
Quote from NeoRio1:
We basically agree.
US intervention and reparations caused Hitler's beginning. Isolationism caused Hitlers power. Intervention in WW1 is the major reason for WW2 but it is important to look at both the intervention and isolationism.
Intervention will always create negative consequences when there is no real threat. Isolationism will always create negative consequences when there is an actual threat.
Intervention in WW1 created negative consequences. Isolationism after WW1 created negative consequences. Intervention lit the fuse.
Yes, I think we do agree. - - I don't know what the US could have done in Europe before Pearl Harbor, however. The national will, and resources weren't ready to fight that war. - - There was a great deal the Europeans could have done however. If they stopped Hitler from the very beginning, its unlikely he would have gotten as far as he did.
I disagree that 'isolationism' will always cause negative consequences. Since the end of WW 2, interventions have gotten us in more trouble. Now we're at the point where we have troops spread thin throughout the planet. So did Rome (throughout their known world), and there were consequences to that over extension. If you believe that no place is outside of your 'vital interests', you are in for exhaustion of your resources & eventual decline. Regards, - -
Quote from NeoRio1:
We basically agree.
US intervention and reparations caused Hitler's beginning. Isolationism caused Hitlers power. Intervention in WW1 is the major reason for WW2 but it is important to look at both the intervention and isolationism.
Intervention will always create negative consequences when there is no real threat. Isolationism will always create negative consequences when there is an actual threat.
Intervention in WW1 created negative consequences. Isolationism after WW1 created negative consequences. Intervention lit the fuse.
WW2 was created by Europeans.
Our armed forces were smaller then Romania's at the start of WW2. We were not prepared for it and should have been.
Quote from Tigerjaw:
Yes, I think we do agree. - - I don't know what the US could have done in Europe before Pearl Harbor, however. The national will, and resources weren't ready to fight that war. - - There was a great deal the Europeans could have done however. If they stopped Hitler from the very beginning, its unlikely he would have gotten as far as he did.
I disagree that 'isolationism' will always cause negative consequences. Since the end of WW 2, interventions have gotten us in more trouble. Now we're at the point where we have troops spread thin throughout the planet. So did Rome (throughout their known world), and there were consequences to that over extension. If you believe that no place is outside of your 'vital interests', you are in for exhaustion of your resources & eventual decline. Regards, - -
I agree with the first part. My point about isolationism was that it will always create negative consequences when there is an actual threat to the country. When a group known for saying that all Americans should die actually has a nuclear bomb isolationism is dangerous. Let's say we never participated in WW2 and Hitler dominated the entire European continent. If there was actual information discovered that he was planning to attack the US it would be dangerous and idiotic not to wage war before they were in our backyard.