what if it is Noah's Ark

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Shoe:

But I am now REALLY confused. You first make the statement... 'no one would believe that means globally', and then you say (and again I paraphrase) 'that these widespread beliefs are "ingrained in our society"'. So, which is it...does no one believe this, or is this belief widespread?

JB

I was simply pointing out that many Christians do not stop to consider the context. Again, it's easy to forget - I'm not slamming anyone. It is just so difficult to get outside our culture and biases...
 
Where is the atheism trifecta (Rowenwood, Axeman and Longshot). I see we have Gordon Gekko providing some amazingly sharp proofs that god doesn't exist, but I was hoping for a more jew-turned-nihilist opinion (Rowenwood).
 
Quote from stu:

Any God worth its salt could make itself clear in half a dozen words and one action.

Who are you to decide how god should or should not act?
 
Faith has no legitimacy from your perspective, nor perhaps the perspective of material science, yet that doesn't mean that is has no legitimacy.

You are hardly the ultimate authority on what is or is not legitimate when it comes to human experience.

Were we computers, bound by only the digital processing of linear and relativistic logic, I would agree with your conclusion.

However, we are more than computers with more than limited senses and relativistic intellect at our disposal.

You have made so many references in the past to validation on the basis of scientific "fact" as to make your present denial of science validating anything quite Kerryesque.


Quote from stu:

I made no mention about science validating anything.

Simply, faith itself confirms anything you, or anyone else, wants it to. It has no legitimacy by or of itself.

If you were ignorant of that fact, then you should have spoken not of faith.
 
Quote from aphexcoil:

Where is the atheism trifecta (Rowenwood, Axeman and Longshot). I see we have Gordon Gekko providing some amazingly sharp proofs that god doesn't exist, but I was hoping for a more jew-turned-nihilist opinion (Rowenwood).

I'm blown away cuzz it's the first time I haven't my intellect and a couple dozen expletives placed together in a "relgious" discussion...
 
This is the vanity of the atheist, that they denounce the existence of God, and at the same time have a faith of how God should, could, or would act.

How absurd that they would claim to know more about how God should act than God Himself, given that God is understood to be an Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Eternal Personality.

Given it is by the limits of their intellect that they evaluate and judge God, is it any wonder that they never find Him?



Quote from aphexcoil:

Who are you to decide how god should or should not act?
 
Quote from stu:

Any God worth its salt could make itself clear in half a dozen words and one action.

only in an exceedingly simple world/universe.
 
"god" can act however he wishes. I will only respect a "god worth his salt" however.

JB

Quote from aphexcoil:

Who are you to decide how god should or should not act?
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:

according to what you just said, WHY DOES GOD NEED A DAMN BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

because it would make for a piss poor flood story if someone wasn't floating around in a boat while everything was being drowned, obviously. these are *stories* first and foremost: before you can hope to take them seriously as moral object lessons, you have to treat them as literature. a story needs a plot, it needs drama, it needs action.

a wave of a ex machina hand would make for a damn boring - not to mention short - story.
 
Quote from TradeOff:

There's only one Mt Ararat.

but there are many mountains *of* ararat because it is also the name of an entire range of mountains. Beresheit specifically avoids saying the ark came to rest on ararat - it says "the mountains [plural] *of* ararat.
 
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