what if it is Noah's Ark

Quote from ARogueTrader:

The atheists and theist alike suffer from selective reading of the Bible.

When it serves their purpose, they read it literally to support their belief systems, and when it doesn't serve their purpose they read it figuratively to bolster their position.

Hey, I'm not making this stuff up. Gen 8:4 says the ark came and rested on the "mountains of Ararat" which was a very large geological territory. Nowhere does it say or imply that it was on THE "Mt. Ararat".

Again, the idea of Mt. Ararat is a religious urban legend kind of like the Three Wise Men. I'm not saying it can't be on Mt. Ararat but there is no reason to think it is from Genesis...
 
Another "urban legend" aspect of the Flood is that it is uniquely Jewish. Quite the contrary, (pre-missionary) flood stories abound in cultures around the globe. Of course, theists argue that this almost universal display of flood stories throughout the earth can only be explained if all of mankind's cultures share a common origin that dates back to a real Flood.

Below is a non-threatening, non-theistic link that shows some of the major cultures that have a Flood story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

What is most amusing to me, is your attempt to apply material logical to Biblical stories.

If God does exist and is all powerful, God could suspend the laws of material nature to accomplish His goals. From the perspective of God who has unlimited power, anything is possible, and from the perspective of a material mind, only that which is known to the limited material mind is possible.

Your entire belief system is based on what you can perceive with the senses and extrapolate upon via the use of relativistic logic.

You judge what you don't know to be true or false only on the basis of limited instrumentation.

In other words, if there is something that does in fact exist outside the range of your intellect and senses, you would say it does not exist until it can be known via your limited intellect and senses.

Your entire belief system is based on ignorance not knowledge, as you claim knowing only that which is knowable via your limited instrumentation, and at the same time you have to admit you don't know everything, nor can you even hold the totality of all that is known scientifically in your mind at the same point and time. Your mind cannot calculate at the speed of computers, your senses are very limited and need mechanical instrumentation to see beyond a relatively short distance, etc.

So, what you posses is a limited knowledge, which is the product of a limited mind, and implemented by limited thinkers.

It is sufficient to say that you believe in material science.

Anything more is clearly redundant.
i do not want to get into another endless religion debate. all i want to say is:

according to what you just said, WHY DOES GOD NEED A DAMN BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? if he's some omnipotent being, why did he not just float all animals up to the sky for a while and drop them back down? lol why make such a hassle for noah? or why did he need to gather up 2 of each animal? couldn't he just magically make them appear again like he did the first time? what a joke this all is.
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:

i do not want to get into another endless religion debate. all i want to say is:

according to what you just said, WHY DOES GOD NEED A DAMN BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? if he's some omnipotent being, why did he not just float all animals up to the sky for a while and drop them back down? lol why make such a hassle for noah? or why did he need to gather up 2 of each animal? couldn't he just magically make them appear again like he did the first time? what a joke this all is.

Your argument, simply stated, is that if you were God, you would act more like a "Zeus" or a "Q". That's fine - but it does not disprove the traditional theistic position.

The fact that God may blend the natural and the supernatural is actually much more appealing to me at least.

I think it is logical to go by the evidence: most cultures have a flood story and there was a mesopotamian flood in the appropriate time frame.

Is this proof? No, but it certainly is very difficult to explain otherwise...
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Hey, I'm not making this stuff up. Gen 8:4 says the ark came and rested on the "mountains of Ararat" which was a very large geological territory. Nowhere does it say or imply that it was on THE "Mt. Ararat".

Again, the idea of Mt. Ararat is a religious urban legend kind of like the Three Wise Men. I'm not saying it can't be on Mt. Ararat but there is no reason to think it is from Genesis...
There's only one Mt Ararat.

The Bible gives clear record that the ark settled there when the seas mixed with the great flood when the heavens were opened and the divine power of God was unleashed to destroy the world of ungodly people, the waters that covered the entire planet.

God wiped out all mankind (except the 8 souls in the ark).

We should have a moment of silence in the awesome presence of the LORD God. He's reading what we're writing here.

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Quote from Gordon Gekko:

i do not want to get into another endless religion debate. all i want to say is:

according to what you just said, WHY DOES GOD NEED A DAMN BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? if he's some omnipotent being, why did he not just float all animals up to the sky for a while and drop them back down? lol why make such a hassle for noah? or why did he need to gather up 2 of each animal? couldn't he just magically make them appear again like he did the first time? what a joke this all is.
No. It was symbolic. It represented how God would save mankind through Christ the Savior.

"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" 2 Peter chapter 2.

"...when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter chapter 3.
 
Quote from TradeOff:

God wiped out all mankind (except the 8 souls in the ark).

We should have a moment of silence in the awesome presence of the LORD God. He's reading what we're writing here.
insanity
 
Why would God need to conform and act according to YOUR limited and relativistic sense of what is right, fair, and or logical?

Are you a perfect being with absolute knowledge of past, present, and future who knows what is absolutely right for all human beings?

You would judge a supreme being according to YOUR personal standards of limitations and shallow opinions?

That is the height of vanity, that you assume a position of an all knowing God yourself first, and then judge the behavior of a Supreme Being accordingly.




Quote from Gordon Gekko:

i do not want to get into another endless religion debate. all i want to say is:

according to what you just said, WHY DOES GOD NEED A DAMN BOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? if he's some omnipotent being, why did he not just float all animals up to the sky for a while and drop them back down? lol why make such a hassle for noah? or why did he need to gather up 2 of each animal? couldn't he just magically make them appear again like he did the first time? what a joke this all is.
 
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