Quote from stu:
1. The word in Genesis 1 translated "heaven" is the Hebrew word "shamayim" and likewise the word translated "earth" is "erets".
What is weird is we have done all this before in the 666 devils thread, but you seem incapable or reluctant to recognize or discuss anything you have said which is contradictory or just plain wrong.
Genesis(1:1) Bereishit bara Elokim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.
In the begining God created the heavens and the earth. NOT "heaven" as you say.
After all this time you still have not explained where your "erets" is in the Hebrew ??
Put together with conjunctions and articles, this phrase, according to Hebrew scholars, can only mean one thing: everything. My understanding is that it has no alternate translations.
According to what Hebrew scholars ?? You made that up right? , just threw it in didn't you ?? You decide what the Hebrew scholars can only mean, even though the Hebrew scholars actually say words which do not mean what you say they do !!
You concede that your mis-translation and misinterpretation of this text has no alternative translation...including the correct one !!!
From that YOU conclude that your translation and interpretation of the Word of God must be right, even though it says something else. and for you...end of matter. Common sense, actuality, rational discussion, for you... shuts off !!
Genesis (7:19) Vehamayim gaveru me'od me'od al-ha'aretz vayichusu kol-heharim hagevohim asher-tachat kol-hashamayim.
The waters were very powerful over the earth, and they covered all the high mountains which were under all the heavens.
I have shown you in Hebrew words, idiomatically translated correctly to English words - in meaning and context - what the Word of God states, but YOU say God doesn't mean what he says !!
So anyone who calls themselves christian, who say they follow the Word of God, gives themselves the right to translate the Word of God into anything they want, and then tell anyone else they want, that THEIR translation or interpretation is the correct one. Not God's.
2. When there are two interpretations possible, let Scripture interpret Scripture. There are many places including Isaiah, Job, John and Colossians where God is clearly stated to have created the universe, i.e. the whole cosmos.
Scripture contradicts itself.
To "let Scripture interpret Scripture" is to let the blind lead the blind.
But what you want is worse yet....let your translation and interpretation of scripture interpret scripture.
This is so far away from scripture as to make what is already absurdity turn into utter incoherence.
