What If In America.........?

Cesko · Sep 24, 2006

This country has an ugly history of bigotry and racism, as well as the genoice of the Native Americans.

What a worn out cliche statement. You know why this is such a stupid comment? Because you make it sound like this only applies to America.( By the way I am not saying it's not true.)

Almost every country (especially the big ones) has "an ugly history" of bigotry,racism,nationalism, genocide or all of the above.

Thanks ZZZzzzzz for original insightful post which I have never heard like million times before.

P.S. I am really happy,though, that there are so many people(lefties) like you who care about others. Look everybody at ZZZzzzz's post I think he really truly cares.

hapaboy · Sep 24, 2006

Pabst, the scenario you describe is what many, including myself, thought would happen post 9/11, but with the involvement of Al Qaeda.

A string of coordinated attacks, across the country stretching from LA to New York, involving suicide bombers at major shopping malls, movie theaters, restaurants, and other densely packed public places, would be devastating to the American psyche. With all the focus being on NY and LA, there is a sense in the midwest and other places that they don't have to worry. Suicide bombings in, say, St. Louis, Kansas City, Des Moines, etc. would really do a lot for Al Qaeda in terms of ratcheting up the fear level.

I always looked at it as the US undergoing what Israel has endured for decades with bombings at restaurants, movie theaters, night clubs, shopping centers, bus stops, etc. How would we react?

That Al Qaeda hasn't done this yet indicates to me that they don't have the resources to do so or are planning something on a much, much larger scale. But I just don't understand why they wouldn't do it if they could. Low tech, no way to stop it, and it would bring the war home to middle America. If they had the resources they could do it while planning the next really big attack. If I were bin Laden that's what I'd do...

As for the scenario you have described here, I just don't see it ever becoming a "fad" among the Muslim-American youth. We may see some instances of it, a la London, but I don't think it will ever become an epidemic. These kids are having too good a time, enjoying the American lifestyle, chasing poontang and buying the newest video consoles to become suicide bombers, especially en masse.

Rearden Metal · Sep 24, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

That Al Qaeda hasn't done this yet indicates to me that they don't have the resources to do so or are planning something on a much, much larger scale. But I just don't understand why they wouldn't do it if they could. Low tech, no way to stop it, and it would bring the war home to middle America. If they had the resources they could do it while planning the next really big attack. If I were bin Laden that's what I'd do...

IMO, the reason this course of action is unattractive to Bin Laden:

Yes, such a tactic would terrorize the shit out of the American people, but Bin Laden is just too grandiose a villain to organize a two-bit suicide bombing at the Podunk, Iowa dunkin donuts shop.

9/11 was a 'big score' for them, the scale was grand, and the achievement (as they see it) was monumental. They don't want the next attack to seem anti-climactic, a step backwards in comparison to 9/11.

As someone who understands the thinking of grandiose individuals quite well (because I am one), this is similar to the reason why I can't ever 'go small' in my trading. Even when the market is dull, I'll either put on millions of dollars worth of positions, or (more likely) I'll stay flat- not trading at all. Putting on a few little 100 share positions to test the market? I'd probably make more money if I was able to do it... but I just can't.

The grandiose either go big, or don't go at all.

ZZZzzzzzzz · Sep 24, 2006

No hesitation, FDR was wrong to intern Japanese Americans. It was a knee jerk reactionary move, the type of thing that is supported by hacks like Michelle Malkin and the her klannish supporters....

Since I don't advocate war, why would I support bombing of civillians?

Doh!

Sheesh, grow a brain man.

Putzkie, the neo-Nazi...

Quote from Pabst:

You've hesitated when queried in the past to expound your feelings about your idol FDR's internment of the Japanese. Nor have you ever explained why you idolize a U.S. President who's bombings killed several million European civilians while at the same time LOATHING a present day American President whose war has killed but a fraction of those totals. You're a duplicitous MF aren't you?

ZZZzzzzzzz · Sep 24, 2006

Your attempt to minimize America's ugly past, classic right wing technique.

If it was wrong then, it would certainly be wrong now...

Those who forget the past, doomed to repeat it, and watch Fox News 24/7...

Quote from Cesko:

This country has an ugly history of bigotry and racism, as well as the genoice of the Native Americans.

What a worn out cliche statement. You know why this is such a stupid comment? Because you make it sound like this only applies to America.( By the way I am not saying it's not true.)

Almost every country (especially the big ones) has "an ugly history" of bigotry,racism,nationalism, genocide or all of the above.

Thanks ZZZzzzzz for original insightful post which I have never heard like million times before.

P.S. I am really happy,though, that there are so many people(lefties) like you who care about others. Look everybody at ZZZzzzz's post I think he really truly cares.

ZZZzzzzzzz · Sep 24, 2006

"As someone who understands the thinking of grandiose individuals quite well ......( because I am one )

A grandiose, drug addicted, Russian teenage slut loving Jew.

Now that will look great on the tombstone...

I'd probably make more money if I was able to do it... but I just can't.

You just can't?

LOL!

So who is in control of your mind, anyway? Some demon who says you must be grandiose? That you must be extreme, all or nothing in your thinking, that moderation and a life of balance is not worth living?

Come on RM, you are supposed to be such a smart guy, yet you can't even control your own mind?

IMO, the reason this course of action is unattractive to Bin Laden:

Yes, such a tactic would terrorize the shit out of the American people, but Bin Laden is just too grandiose a villain to organize a two-bit suicide bombing at the Podunk, Iowa dunkin donuts shop.

9/11 was a 'big score' for them, the scale was grand, and the achievement (as they see it) was monumental. They don't want the next attack to seem anti-climactic, a step backwards in comparison to 9/11.

As someone who understands the thinking of grandiose individuals quite well (because I am one), this is similar to the reason why I can't ever 'go small' in my trading. Even when the market is dull, I'll either put on millions of dollars worth of positions, or I'll stay flat- not trading at all. Putting on a few little 100 share positions to test the market? I'd probably make more money if I was able to do it... but I just can't.

The grandiose either go big, or don't go at all.

Rearden Metal · Sep 24, 2006

Quote from nakatani:

A grandiose, drug addicted, Russian teenage slut loving Jew.

Since you know I have no religion, you must be attacking my ethnicity. There's a word for people who do that, you know?

You just can't?
LOL!

OK, I don't want to. Same difference.
Trading small size is just annoying. It's a petty, no win situation.
Even if the trades go well, it's unsatisfying, and I'm kicking myself for not going bigger.

Come on RM, you are supposed to be such a smart guy, yet you can't even control your own mind?

Only an idiot would believe that's some sort of paradox.
Nikola Tesla, Howard Hughes, Francis Galton, Frank Lloyd Wright, John Nash... need I say more?

lkh · Sep 24, 2006

What If In America we were to use our power of influence,ie movies,books,talk shows,tv,and education system to stand up and say "all religion is noting more than superstition. there is no christian god and allah was nothing but a thug that killed in the name of god".
What if we used our education system to educate young muslim men that there is no heaven where you will receive 72 virgins for blowing yourself up. What if we were able to educate young muslim men that when you are dead you are dead and thats the end. Would young muslim men in america soon decide to say "screw this i am not dying for a superstition, these mullahs can blow themselves up if they want to? Would this truth soon spread to the rest of the world?

What if? Its an interesting idea but it will never happen. Why? Because american christians would not allow it. They would say "no way, there is a god and my god is the best and only god and it is our mandate to convert the world". So the ignorance,hatred and bloodshed continues just as it has for thousands of years.

ZZZzzzzzzz · Sep 24, 2006

Odd that stating fact is somehow an attack in your estimation, as you have indicated previously you are a non religious Jew, i.e. meaning your are claiming to be of Jewish descent in some form or other than by practice of Judaism.

Since when do you consider someone calling you a Jew, a true statement, a slur or an attack?

Did I say something like "dirty greedy selfish neurotic lying Jew bastard?"

What, are you not proud to be called a Jew? You have on on record talking about the greatness of the Jews, how important to society they are. Is there some shame for you in being called a Jew? Some embarrassment?

LOL...

I seed the grandiosity is in full bloom, lumping yourself with Nikola Tesla, Howard Hughes, Francis Galton, Frank Lloyd Wright, and John Nash.

As far as small trades or large trades, I can imagine the adrenaline doesn't flow from small trades for you. Not knocking wanting to trade anyway someone wants to. Some people need extremes to feel alive.

Generally the manic depressive grandiose type...

They would "just die" to be thought of by others as ordinary, and common...and just a normal guy.

All part of the "condition" eh?

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Quote from nakatani:

A grandiose, drug addicted, Russian teenage slut loving Jew.

Since you know I have no religion, you must be attacking my ethnicity. There's a word for people who do that, you know?

You just can't?
LOL!

OK, I don't want to. Same difference.
Trading small size is just annoying. It's a petty, no win situation.
Even if the trades go well, it's unsatisfying, and I'm kicking myself for not going bigger.

Come on RM, you are supposed to be such a smart guy, yet you can't even control your own mind?

Only an idiot would believe that's some sort of paradox.
Nikola Tesla, Howard Hughes, Francis Galton, Frank Lloyd Wright, John Nash... need I say more?

Rearden Metal · Sep 24, 2006

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