What-If China attacks Taiwan

ET180 said:
I stated an opinion and backed it up by fact. Anyone can verify that for themselves. China acting with hostility towards weaker countries (Canada, Australia) which pose no security threat to them is reckless and dangerous. They are becoming a bully and stand in the way of a peaceful resolution in Ukraine by backing Russia. Russia would not have invaded Ukraine without backing from China. Same case with North Korea. The irony is that while they want to forcefully unify Taiwan, they prop up North Korea in order to prevent a unified Korea. They want weaker competition even if it is not in humanity's best interest. The world should decouple from a country that behaves like that.



I agree that it comes down to a cost benefit analysis for China. And I should really say the CCP as that's who is making the decision. Not the average Chinese person on the street. A large part of China, bigger than the US population, lives in poverty and cares more about where their next meal is coming from than invading Taiwan. One way to de-risk Taiwan would be to move critical semiconductor manufacturing outside the country. TSMC is currently building a large plant in Arizona to do that, but I fear it could be too late. I doubt TSMC's engineers want to leave the country, but ironically, that might be the best thing they can do to protect it. Maybe US and Europe offer some type of immediate guaranteed residency for qualified people similar to the H1B work visa program if an invasion takes place. All Taiwan can really do is change the cost-benefit analysis from CCP's perspective.



That's how you end up with a Hitler. Hitler was not satisfied after he captured Poland. He kept going. If Russian is able to successfully capture territory in Ukraine, or China capture Taiwan, why would anyone believe they would stop there. Those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it. You cannot appease a Hitler.
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If China really attacks Taiwan, for sure, US is going to get the talents out, that's the most important asset there even more important than the equipment and structures there and just leave an empty island to China. The most China is going to get is the resources there. I hope USA is already planning the logistics right now on how to get the critical people out in case of an invasion.
 
earth_imperator said:
BS. US can militarily do nothing :) B/c it would then risk its own annihilation in just 30 minutes. Puff!...

And: US since Nixon's time has agreed that Taiwan belongs to China.
The US currently supports Taiwan only b/c it fears China's meteoric rise, b/c then China will dethrone the US from being #1. Ie. b/c out of very egoistic reasons. To slow the process.
But it's an inevitable process that the US will fall behind China. Just swallow this sweet pill and get over it... :)
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That is a total lie fed as propaganda by the CCP to its people obviously. This is the official position of the United States with regards to Taiwan since the 1950's:

That the provisional capital of the Republic of China has been at Taipei, Taiwan (Formosa) since December 1949; that the Government of the Republic of China exercises authority over the island; that the sovereignty of Formosa has not been transferred to China; and that Formosa is not a part of China as a country, at least not as yet, and not until and unless appropriate treaties are hereafter entered into. Formosa may be said to be a territory or an area occupied and administered by the Government of the Republic of China, but is not officially recognized as being a part of the Republic of China.

— U.S. State Department, 1959, [25]

It states clearly that the government of the Republic of China exercises authority over the island and the sovereignty of Taiwan has NOT been transferred to China and therefore Taiwan is not part of China. And that position has never changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan–United_States_relations#:~:text=Following the passage of the,relations on September 13, 2019.

And according to this article, "Taiwan,[II][h] officially the Republic of China (ROC), is a country[22] in East Asia, at the junction of the East and South China Seas in the northwestern Pacific Ocean, with the People's Republic of China (PRC) to the northwest, Japan to the northeast, and the Philippines to the south."

US and Taiwan have maintained unofficial diplomatic ties until this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

This is the truth and reality that the CCP obviously hides from its people and fed them the lies that Nixon officially recognizes Taiwan as part of China and now US is jealous of China's success. LOL All the lies that the CCP feeds to its people to bolster the inflated ego it's so comical.

If China wants to test US's military might like what the Japanese did in their Pearl Habour attack, it's welcome to try. Next time, don't just carry out those military drills, land a bomb for real in Taiwan to see what happens.
 
VicBee said:
Did you mean unclear war, or nuclear war?
In conflict there's an escalation process. In the case of Ukraine, for example, NATO and the US are staying out of direct conflict because Ukraine is not a NATO member and it doesn't have a defense agreement with either. Sending troops in Ukraine would be considered an escalation with greater ramifications. You will note that the US has also expressedly requested that Ukraine doesn't shell Russian territory, for the same reason.
However, the US and NATO are openly arming Ukraine to show Russia that it can and will escalate to prevent a takeover of the country and to support Ukraine's efforts to push Russia out of its territory. Russia is refraining from expanding its conquest beyond the land they sought to control.
This is deemed an acceptable status quo, the result of the weeks to come will determine the future of this war. If Russia decides to expand the scope of its conquest, you can be sure that the west will respond accordingly.
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You are clueless on the whole issue.
US did once have a defence agreement with Taiwan, but it was teminated on 1/1/ 1980 when US set up diplomatic relations with China. US replaced that denfence agreement with "Taiwan Relations Act" ,which only promises that US will sell weapons to Taiwan.
So you based your argument on false information.
I am sorry that you can' t even see the difference between situation in Ukraine and Taiwan . Ukraine is a country. Taiwan is a province of China. US admits it, all the world admits it.The war between Russia and Ukraine is a war between two countries.
The war between China and Taiwan is a domestic war. What is matter with US and the west world if one country wants to recover its province?
When north Vietnam attacked south Vietnam, which is also a domestic war, what did US do? It withdrew its army completely from Vietnam.
Also you said US did not confront Russia in Ukraine because Ukraine is not a NATO member. Are you telling me US needs to confront China because Taiwan is a NATO member? Taiwan IS NOT a NATO member.
 
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earth_imperator said:
BS. US can militarily do nothing :) B/c it would then risk its own annihilation in just 30 minutes. Puff!...

And: US since Nixon's time has agreed that Taiwan belongs to China.
The US currently supports Taiwan only b/c it fears China's meteoric rise, b/c then China will dethrone the US from being #1. Ie. b/c out of very egoistic reasons. To slow the process.
But it's an inevitable process that the US will fall behind China. Just swallow this sweet pill and get over it... :)

Ok, sanctions yes, the US is world champion in sanctioning others and thereby shooting in the own foot. :D
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Again, you show your bias and lack of understanding of how international relations work. An attack by China on Taiwan will trigger a US localized defense response providing support to Taiwanese defenses. Any escalation from China will trigger incremental escalation from US forces.
wmwmw said:
You are clueless on the whole issue.
US did once have a defence agreement with Taiwan, but it was teminated on 1/1/ 1980 when US set up diplomatic relations with China. US replaced that denfence agreement with "Taiwan Relations Act" ,which only promises that US will sell weapons to Taiwan.
So you based your argument on false information.
I am sorry that you can' t even see the difference between situation in Ukraine and Taiwan . Ukraine is a country. Taiwan is a province of China. US admits it, all the world admits it.The war between Russia and Ukraine is a war between two countries.
The war between China and Taiwan is a domestic war. What is matter with US and the west world if one country wants to recover its province?
When north Vietnam attacked south Vietnam, which is also a domestic war, what did US do? It withdrew its army completely from Vietnam.
Also you said US did not confront Russia in Ukraine because Ukraine is not a NATO member. So is Taiwan a NATO member? LOL.
There is big hole in your logic.
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Taiwan is no more Chinese than it is Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese or Japanese. The KMT seized the island from Japan at the end of WW2 then retreated there when Chang Kai Chek lost the mainland during the civil war with the communists.
China decreed Taiwan theirs in the same way it now decrees that the entire South China sea belongs to them. Neither belong to them, and if China's small neighbors can't defend their rights, the US will.
I've said before, there is a way out of this escalation. Taiwan can have a referendum on unification with China and, if approved, Taiwan can propose to China free and fair elections to decide what type of government the people of greater China wish to have, continuation of the existing Communist system or electoral democracy.
 
VicBee said:
Again, you show your bias and lack of understanding of how international relations work. An attack by China on Taiwan will trigger a US localized defense response providing support to Taiwanese defenses. Any escalation from China will trigger incremental escalation from US forces.

Taiwan is no more Chinese than it is Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese or Japanese. The KMT seized the island from Japan at the end of WW2 then retreated there when Chang Kai Chek lost the mainland during the civil war with the communists.
China decreed Taiwan theirs in the same way it now decrees that the entire South China sea belongs to them. Neither belong to them, and if China's small neighbors can't defend their rights, the US will.
I've said before, there is a way out of this escalation. Taiwan can have a referendum on unification with China and, if approved, Taiwan can propose to China free and fair elections to decide what type of government the people of greater China wish to have, continuation of the existing Communist system or electoral democracy.
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False information, baseless claims, erroneous logic.
I am done with you.
 
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Taiwan is NOT an independent country. It has never officially declared its independence,
and it can't do if China doesn't allow it, and China never will allow it... Simple facts.
 
earth_imperator said:
Taiwan is NOT an independent country. It has never officially declared its independence,
and it can't do if China doesn't allow it, and China never will allow it... Simple facts.
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You should know why... The KMT seized the island with the intention of returning to the mainland to defeat the communists. That never happened but the communists didn't pursue the KMT either. The Chinese (CCP and KMT) take Taiwan for granted as Chinese land but, as far as I know, there is no historical proof that China ever controlled all of Taiwan. The Portuguese or the Japanese have more historical claims to the island than the Chinese!
 
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