What happened in Russian default? Or any sovereign default?

Quote from lfred:
What a load of incomplete misinfo on your part, Russia did not return to World Bank what was borrowed already and they certainly did not keep borrowing.

The fact that you assume that Russia would have been saved by western credit is complete fallacy. [saved as a slave client state temporarily, maybe]

As for you saying foreign investors just got delayed that's all. That is laughable, anything invested was GONE forever.
Pls stop spouting bullsh1t...

Russia did keep borrowing from the IMF and the World Bank in the aftermath of the 1998 crisis. See, for example, here:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/1999/pr9935.htm

Russia also did repay the Western creditors. I have already mentioned the pre-payment of the Paris Club debt. Here's some more that's specific to the IMF borrowing:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2005/pr0519.htm
They also wanted to repay the World Bank debt early, but the pre-payment penalties were too punitive, so they decided against it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aNEfs_1l.Kcc
 
Quote from lfred:

F-35 is a stealth variation of F-22

Two entirely different aircraft. Both are stealth fighters, BTW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

it is 30 billion

No. The F-22's flyaway cost is $150MM per copy.

The F-35's flyaway is expected to range between $89MM and $200MM each.

But, the per copy cost pales compared to the entire program costs for each.

The F-22 program is expected to cost $65BN for 168 aircraft with an average cost of $338MM per aircraft while the F-35 program is expected to cost $382BN for 2,443 aircraft at an average cost of $156MM each.

The F-35 program is expected to be the single biggest defense program ever.
 
Quote from toc:

No body was invading Russia but nearly everyone was looting Russia if they had a chance. During 1990s, $3 to 5 Billion was leaving Russian economy each month and landing in the Swiss and other banks in the West. Culprits were Russian Oligarch, Mafia and their foreign cahoots.

In 1990s, oil prices were below $20 a barrel or around and as of today it is said that 'Russian economy is balance at oil price of $70 per barrel'. So one can imagine how much deficit Russians were into at that time. Worst Russia had to take all the financial obligations of the USSR and it ended up writing off $161 Billion in credit to mostly third world nations but also others like Libya and Syria etc.

Unfortunately, Russians have not done anything substantial to diversify their economy from energy and commodities sector. Commodities cycle in bull run can last upto 2018 to 2020 and after that another bear run in commodity prices.

Due to commodity run, as of today Russia does look good financially but in depth not much has changed. Most of the money and power hangs around Moscow and go 50 miles out and you see the sudden drop in standards of living, infrastructure as if those areas are purposefully neglected.

US will show the finger to the debtors not verbally but devaluing its currency and watering out the debt that way. Stupid Chinese have been sending them goods and in return got only 'paper promises' which in devaluation scenario would mean 'a big joke' on the face.


doubtful that the chinese are stupid. using american dollars to build up their infrastructure, industry and armed forces has proven to be a sound strategy. controlling 90% of rare metals and limiting exports is proving to be a sound strategy. china produces engineers. america produces college graduates with sociology degrees who are barely literate with limited writing skills.
even their investment in US bonds have become more valuable as interest rates have dropped. they are quietly lessing their positions in US paper.
 
Quote from lfred:

The Russian bond program was not the cause but simply the latest symptom of the collapse. You are wrong in your analysis.
At least, I provided analysis. Would you care to support your opinion with some analysis too?

Also try to separate analysius from facts.

So far you show that you are completely unaware of the factual side. Lets' go step by step...

Quote from lfred:

What a load of incomplete misinfo on your part, Russia did not return to World Bank what was borrowed already and they certainly did not keep borrowing.

As for you saying foreign investors just got delayed that's all. That is laughable, anything invested was GONE forever.

First, great info from Martinghoul.

Quote from Martinghoul:

Pls stop spouting bullsh1t...

Russia did keep borrowing from the IMF and the World Bank in the aftermath of the 1998 crisis. See, for example, here:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/1999/pr9935.htm

Russia also did repay the Western creditors. I have already mentioned the pre-payment of the Paris Club debt. Here's some more that's specific to the IMF borrowing:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2005/pr0519.htm
They also wanted to repay the World Bank debt early, but the pre-payment penalties were too punitive, so they decided against it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aNEfs_1l.Kcc

From http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/about/pifs/llm/sp26.pdf you can see that:
1) Russia took responsibility for 100% of Soviet Union debt... though based on an agreement with other former Soviet states, Russia could have taken on only 61% of the total.
2) Russia never defaulted on the actual Russian (as opposed to Sovient Union) international debt (which means even at the peak of the crisis all payments went on schedule).
3) Russia has fully repaid IMF loan in 2005. http://www.emergingmarkets.org/Arti...id-its-debt-to-the-IMF-ahead-of-schedule.html
4) Russia has fully repaid Soviet-era debt to other states (known as Paris Club) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5271122.stm
5) Soviet-era debt to foreign banks (known as London Club) was issued to Vneshtorgbank. Given these bonds were issued by a company that was not a bank under Russian law and was owned by non-existing Soviet Union, the debt was most likely unenforceable under English Law. However, Russia negotiated approximately 50% principal reduction and exchanged the debt into Russian eurobonds (on which Russia has kept paying on schedule) and in 2010 has paid out the part of the debt which wasn't coverted into Eurobonds. http://en.rian.ru/business/20100125/157676752.html

In comparison, investors in Russian domestic debt after default 1998 received only 5 cents on the dollar (taking into account rouble depreciation).

Quote from lfred:

This kind of thinking you display is exactly what is going to sink United States.

You actually believe you can save the country by borrowing from IMF, FED, World Bank cartel of private bankers.

I am now even more certain US will collapse, because now a days even educated people are fools
If you actually read my post, you'll find out that growing domestic debt US-style didn't work out so well for Russia in 1997-98.
 
Quote from lfred:

F-35 is a stealth variation of F-22

f35.jpg


and no it isn't 7-8 billion

it is 30 billion,

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/03/10/pol-pbo-page-fighterjet.html

1. The $30 billion estimate is just one estimate of many, all ranging from $9 billion to $30 billion.

2. That cost is over 30 years.

3. The new planes are needed to replace Canada's current fleet of CF18s that will be nearing the end of their useful life shortly.


Please stick to your battle against the Rothschilds and the Fed instead of pretending to have any knowledge in other areas.
 
A misprint has sneaked into my post

Quote from LeeD:

5) Soviet-era debt to foreign banks (known as London Club) was issued to Vneshtorgbank.
should read

"5) Soviet-era debt to foreign banks (known as London Club) was issued by Vnesheconombank."
 
Quote from LeeD:
A misprint has sneaked into my post
It's OK, somehow I don't think our friend lfred would notice. I get the feeling attention to detail isn't exactly his strong suit :).
 
Quote from lfred:
The reason you folks are fooled is because you believe IMF reports.

Russia did not pay back the money and IMF is actually lying not to save Russia's face but to save their own.

Because IMF and world bank simply prints [creates funds] without backing. The loss of lent money to Russia was not even a real loss.

If any country can simply default on IMF loans as Russia did without consequences. It would make IMF look weak and necessary.

The reason I know this is because conditions of Russia post default was so deplorable that there is NO WAY IN HELL, they came up with the money to pay them back especially knowing they didn't have to.

Believe me Russian politicians are not that nice.
God, you're a real gem...

So the Russian govt (borrower) is lying and the IMF/World Bank/Paris Club (creditors) are all lying as well? Ah, I know it was the aliens!

The IMF/World Bank funds are backed by the guarantees of the member govts, as well as 2,814.1 metric tons of glod.

You also seem to have ignored that Russia repaid the loans from 2005 onwards, at which time the Russian economy had emerged from the crisis and received a boost from high oil & gas prices. So yes, conditions after the crisis were deplorable for a few years, but by 2005 revenues into the Russian stabilisation fund had grown to the point where Kudrin could repay the loans from the change he had jingling in his pockets.

As to the rest of your post, I think it's hopeless, so I am not going to even try.
 
people who care don't know, people who know don't care.

There were huge new loans to Russia, but most of it had already stolen before it ever reached to Russian, most money just stayed on someone's balance sheet. Russian just devalued its currency progressively.

IMF and BIS worked together to tax Russia international trade, schemed off Russia gold reserves. Major goals were to break up USSR, which was a extremely inefficient organization at its last breath, put Russian on new EUR standard and expanded NATO influences.

I would say the Russian default worked very well according to plan at 4/5 stars.
 
Quote from lfred:

Russia did not pay back the money and IMF is actually lying not to save Russia's face but to save their own.
...
The reason I know this is because conditions of Russia post default was so deplorable that there is NO WAY IN HELL, they came up with the money to pay them back especially knowing they didn't have to.

What about all the revenue from export of natural resources? Oil price has gone up 5-fold from $20 per barrel to $100.

I understand you don't believe Russia had $484 bln in currency reserves in 2008 either. https://02varvara.wordpress.com/200...-hard-currency-reserves-are-at-record-levels/.

Time to put on a tin foil hat :)

Quote from lfred:

Believe me Russian politicians are not that nice.
In taking on 100% of Soviet debt they had an ulterior motive. First, this allowed Russia to also inherit 100% of the debt owed to former Soviet union. Although large part of it was owed by some of the poorest nations who were not going to pay up any time soon, being a creditor affords certain influence (think IMF). Second, this settled any complaints about Russia taking over all of the Soviet property abroad: embassies, banks etc
 
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