What does Karen the Supertrader and her results say about volatility? Oversold?

Any idea why the Principals of Tasty Trade never disclose Account PL?

We are getting closer ... Sosnoff mentioned on last night's show that ...

"We will disclose how we did last year, just don't have a number yet."
 
Because there is a liquidity premium component in options. If you're selling options, therefore, your risk adjusted returns will be better than straight equities. This liquidity premium isn't an element of CAPM, or any other such model, which means that your argument about the efficient frontier doesn't apply.

Aren't there liquidity premiums in off the run bonds but they can be put in the CAPM framework.

If the risk adjusted returns are better to sell options then why isn't every Long only overwriting or underwriting?
 
As you have challenged other, maybe you could give us a Time stamp where she tells us what her returns were in 2008?

That is an easy one, nowhere. :)

What did I win?

There is a ambiguity what year her 50% return on the 100K refers to, but I think that is 2007, because I really can't believe she would have achieved 50% in 2008. And if my posts aren't clear that is because the interview isn't clear on that point. If there is an exact reference, I got it right... But feel free to go over 3 hours of talking and correct my summaries....

Next challenge?
 
Aren't there liquidity premiums in off the run bonds but they can be put in the CAPM framework.

If the risk adjusted returns are better to sell options then why isn't every Long only overwriting or underwriting?
No, nobody so far has managed to create a model for liquidity or, for that matter, to incorporate liquidity into any asset pricing model. Not to my knowledge and not in a way that is more or less accepted. I imagine there's a Nobel Prize waiting for whoever comes up with a good theory.

As to the other question, it's 'cause risk-adjusted returns aren't the only thing that people care about. Specifically, and this is even more relevant for leveraged institutions, your portfolio's risk is constrained not just by the "central scenario" measures (most commonly some flavor of historical VAR), but also by the "stress" measures (i.e. drawdown in a particularly adverse, liquidity-impaired scenario). This means that you can't just overwrite/underwrite, as you will bust your stress limits. If you could avoid marking-to-mkt/stress limits (a la the Warrenator), you could harvest these tasty returns all day long.
 
You nailed it ...
Sosnoff has repeatedly stated that;

- he is a pretty aggressive risk taker
- her approach to trading is way too risky for his liking
- that she has not really been tested in a real market crash ... say market down +50%
- that he has not and would not invest in one of her funds

Is that the kind of endorsement you were looking for!

Question for anyone able to find these stats easily: Has the market (SPX for that matter) been down +50% in a 40-60 day period of time? It seems that if she trades having an idea of what here margin requirement would be (not guaranteed, but an idea) base off of what options she already has on the table, she may be able to withstand (in theory) these moves in the time period she trades in.

What was the largest % move in the market in a 30 day (month) period of time? Also, what’s the chance that it occurs two months in a row?
 
SPX fell approx 35% in Aug/Sep 2008 from ~1300 to ~840.
Was this inside 2 SD move?

I haven't verified but don't forget during that time period the VIX was greater than 30 (maybe even 50). A 2SD move during that time frame may have encompassed the move you speak of. SD is a moving target.
 
No, nobody so far has managed to create a model for liquidity or, for that matter, to incorporate liquidity into any asset pricing model. Not to my knowledge and not in a way that is more or less accepted. I imagine there's a Nobel Prize waiting for whoever comes up with a good theory.

As to the other question, it's 'cause risk-adjusted returns aren't the only thing that people care about. Specifically, and this is even more relevant for leveraged institutions, your portfolio's risk is constrained not just by the "central scenario" measures (most commonly some flavor of historical VAR), but also by the "stress" measures (i.e. drawdown in a particularly adverse, liquidity-impaired scenario). This means that you can't just overwrite/underwrite, as you will bust your stress limits. If you could avoid marking-to-mkt/stress limits (a la the Warrenator), you could harvest these tasty returns all day long.

A long only doesn't have to worry about risk parameters. And the long only community is 1000x the vol community. If risk adjusted returns were better they should all be selling puts rather than being just being long stocks. Why is the long only community a net buyer of puts?
 
A long only doesn't have to worry about risk parameters. And the long only community is 1000x the vol community. If risk adjusted returns were better they should all be selling puts rather than being just being long stocks. Why is the long only community a net buyer of puts?
I know for a fact that traditional long only real money investors care very much about their risk of loss, regardless of whether they measure it in a formal manner. That's precisely why the "protective put strategy" and, more generally, the concept of "portfolio insurance" has always been one of the most basic and popular ones. I mean I could go on about the gory details, but that's neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. In summary, the real money community ARE buyers of puts, based on my knowledge and experience.
 
I dont get all the criticisms of her trading. bottom line is, shes been profitable. if she can do it so can we.

yes black swan events can happen, but those are extreme outliers. If you carry that mentality, you might as not trade or go out or do whatever it is you do on a regular basis due to the inherent small chance that something will go wrong.

granted, shes been trading im.a bull market, her current strat is profitable for current market situations. once a bear hits, you adjust your strategy as necessary. isnt that the whole point of options? to add flexibility outside of buying and holding or shorting stocks?


U nailed it, totally agree, awesome
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hbj_YyM42M

I drive that road every time I go from Myrtle Beach to my house in the Poconos. It's dangerous. Should I stop driving it?

I can't and still live my chosen life.

A number of years ago I was driving on the Schuylkill Expressway in Philadelphia at rush hour after working an over-nighter at Lankeneau Hospital. Every body was doing like 70 and cars were a few feet apart. Somebody way ahead of me made a mistake and the pile-up started. I jammed on my breaks and was able to stop without hitting the guy in front of me (I had left a little space). I looked in the mirror and saw a semi coming at me from behind and jumped my car forward about 10 feet... it was just enough so that the semi didn't hit me. Three people died in that crash.
I didn't stop driving the Schuylkill.

I couldn't and still live my chosen life.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SPY&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

In the 1968 debacle I didn't lose a penny. I had scaled back my liabilities and had diversified my directional risk so that I survived quite intact. (I also avoided bailing out at the bottom).

Anybody who is net long now without having a good plan of protection is crazy. It may cause you to lose out on further upside but the future is written in the past.

I largely do what Karen USED to do. I have longs to stop out my losses in the event of a sudden downturn (i.e. I use spreads instead of naked shorts), I vary my positions so that they cancel each other out (somewhat) in the event of the market taking a sudden jump in one direction or another, I do individual stocks in the hope of skimming the most crash resistant out of the S&P, I am trimming my downside risk AND I am thinking about a downside hedge.

Life is risky. Eventually we all die. Stringing it out as long as you can is or is not a good idea depending on your viewpoint.

My older sister passed away this past year from lung cancer. She smoked for many years. So she lost the 'last of life' for the enjoyment of smoking. She had no regrets. The 'last of life' is not all that great anyway.

Afraid of risk?? Don't trade the market. Put your money in doubloons and hide in your cellar.



Nice, totally agree.. with no risk, we only get 3% annually. Satisfied? go for it and good luck. Me, i REFUSE 3% and taking more suitable(for me) risk in order to gain more.
 
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