What does gun violence really COST

[Tom B]

• What do you propose to fix the problem now?
• You must at least acknowledge that over time, the insurance to own a gun law will reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals. The insurance to own a gun law may have to be tweaked to make it work as intended, but this feels like a step in the the right direction to slowly fix many problems over time.

Criminals would not pass a background check.

 

[der_kommissar]

• What do you propose to fix the problem now?
• You must at least acknowledge that over time, the insurance to own a gun law will reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals. The insurance to own a gun law may have to be tweaked to make it work as intended, but this feels like a step in the the right direction to slowly fix many problems over time.

Are you really this naive? The criminals can source their guns from just about anywhere...remember, you are dealing with an underground economy...Your solutions take aim at the registered gun owners, the one's that operate above board.

 

[der_kommissar]

Criminals would not pass a background check.

Hence, this proposal is nonsensical.

 

[Tom B]

Hence, this proposal is nonsensical.

Yes, it is.

 

[der_kommissar]

Nitro:

I'd recommend you watch a Vice News episode from a few seasons ago about these underground gun makers in the Philippines that literally manufacture guns in grass huts in the countryside...these very same unmarked guns then make their way across the Pacific Ocean to the criminal gangs in and around Oakland, Ca....Tell me how to stop this sort of activity and then we can move forward in this debate.

 

[nitro]

I do have one solution, but no one has the political will to make it happen...It strikes right to the source of the violence...criminal gangs...how did we take down the mafia? Now, let's apply that sort of ambition to the street gangs...Again, like I said, a few soundbites about this topic have made the news over the years, but little action is made on that front...I suppose there is alot of "hot money" flowing thru the economy that makes this inconvenient for a whole host of reasons.

Ok, I see your point. I actually think there is political will to make it happen. I will give you one example that will make gangs a thing of the past more and more: the decriminalization of "recreational" drugs.

But I know what you mean, actual use of force to drive out these people out of cities. I think the problem is that it costs more money than they are willing to invest to basically have a standing army on the SS of Chicago. Maybe "political will" and money in the end add up the same thing.

 

[nitro]

Nitro:

I'd recommend you watch a Vice News episode from a few seasons ago about these underground gun makers in the Philippines that literally manufacture guns in grass huts in the countryside...these very same unmarked guns then make their way across the Pacific Ocean to the criminal gangs in and around Oakland, Ca....Tell me how to stop this sort of activity and then we can move forward in this debate.

I don't know currently. I am nearly certain when we have cybernetic robots, much of these dangerous illegal activities will go away. We can manufacture tens of millions of iRobot-Cops to keep illegal dangerous products out of the country. They will have heat sensing eyesight, built in metal detectors, the nose of a dog to sniff out gun powder, access to the entire world's database of face recognition databases, they will read lips from a mile away, etc, etc etc.

I realize this is science fiction. Until then, what I suggested may save lives over time.

 

[der_kommissar]

Ok, I see your point. I actually think there is political will to make it happen. I will give you one example that will make gangs a thing of the past more and more: the decriminalization of "recreational" drugs.

But I know what you mean, actual use of force to drive out these people out of cities. I think the problem is that it costs more money than they are willing to invest to basically have a standing army on the SS of Chicago. Maybe "political will" and money in the end add up the same thing.

I do agree with the first part, to an extent...Now, I will provide a counter-point argument...If one believes that the gangs are essentially underground businesses, and profit is the bottomline...What happens when you take away a major source of their revenue?

As an example, The Chicago Tribune did a week long expose on mortgage fraud in the mid-2000's on the southside of Chicago...They uncovered a whole host of gang leaders were engaged in massive rip-off schemes surrounding this fraud...

IOW, de-criminalizing is only a first step since the infrastructure would still be present and the profit motive could move into other forms of insidious crime...All I'll say is look at the sorts of crimes in South America for an idea of what areas (of crime) they could possibly move into

 

[Tom B]

I don't know currently. I am nearly certain when we have cybernetic robots, much of these dangerous illegal activities will go away. We can manufacture tens of millions of iRobot-Cops to keep illegal dangerous products out of the country. They will have heat sensing eyesight, built in metal detectors, the nose of a dog to sniff out gun powder, access to the entire world's database of face recognition databases, they will read lips from a mile away, etc, etc etc.

I realize this is science fiction. Until then, what I suggested may save lives over time.

Yes, that worked out well in the movie.

 

[Tsing Tao]

As I said in the insurance for guns law post, which you may or may not have read carefully, it goes a great way towards solving the problem going forward, slowly. I don't have a solution for the problem as it exists now and AFAIK, no one does.

Perhaps you know how to solve it now? We are all ears.

No, you're not all ears. Because issues on why gun violence is so prevalent in communities that make up the vast majority of gun violence have been presented. Liberals just call it racist and don't want to listen to it, instead, focusing the vast majority of "solutions" on the tiny fraction of violence that cannot be prevented. The lunatic that was guilty of Sandy Hook shooting would not have been stopped by any gun insurance law. He'd have shot up the school and the same kids would be dead, the same tragedy occurred. The guy who dressed up as the Joker and shot up the theatre in Colorado would not have been stopped by gun insurance laws. None of the lunatics who kill others in the so-called mass shooting events would have been stopped by a silly gun insurance law.

None.