What does gun violence really COST

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/san-...spects-rizwan-farook-tashfeen-malik-dead.html

The Pres simply doesn't seem to be up to the task any more. About gun violence he keeps saying the same thing even when it's obvious it has no bearing on the current case and any legislation that has been proposed would NOT have prevented the san-bernadino event.

e.g. France has the strongest gun control laws imaginable and yet the Paris attacks happened anyway.

In the US Calif probably has the most restrictive gun control laws of any state... it did them no good yesterday.

People can posture and bull shit till the cows come home but if somebody starts shooting at me I'm going to be shooting back .

Many many people are afraid of guns. They don't want to have to go around packing heat. They don't want to spend hours training to use their weapons. They want to live in the wonderful land of OZ where everybody dances along the yellow brick road and sings little songs.

Unfortunately that's NOT where we live. I ALWAYS have a pistol in my pocket right behind my permit to carry. If someone starts shooting at me they will experience returned fire. If even seven out of the 14 people who were killed in san-bernidino were armed and returned fire those two murderers would not have walked out of that building alive AND the casualty count would be half what it is.

My action plan? Trade in my pocket gun for a bigger cal with a bigger magazine.

I WILL NOT BE A VICTIM.
 
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America's Gun Business, By the Numbers

"...That one sale is a single dot in a multibillion-dollar industry, one that is coming under new scrutiny during the post-massacre gun control debate. Here's a by the numbers breakdown.

$13.5 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition manufacturing industry, with a $1.5 billion profit. (IBIS World)

$3.1 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition stores, with a $478.4 million profit. (IBIS World)

10,847,792
The number of pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns and miscellaneous firearms manufactured in the U.S. in 2013, the latest full year available. That's 4,441,726 pistols, 725,282 revolvers, 3,979,570 rifles, 1,203,072 shotguns, and 495,142 miscellaneous firearms. (ATF)

4%
Percentage of the above guns which were exported. Of those 10.84 million guns, 10,413,880 stay in America. (ATF)

270-310 million
Estimated number of guns in the U.S. (Pew Research Center)

263,223
Number of full-time jobs related to the firearm industry, up from 209,750 in 2012. (NSSF)

$42.9 billion
Estimated overall economic impact of the firearms and ammo industry in the U.S. (NSSF)

20,968,273
Number of firearm background checks initiated in 2014. Because a background check is required before a gun is bought, this numbers gives insight into gun sale trends. However, just because a background check was initiated doesn't mean a gun was purchased. (FBI)

9,138,123
Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI)

More from NBC News: San Bernardino Shooting is Deadliest Since Newtown
Staggering Stats: There Have Been More Mass Shootings Than Days This Year
At Least 14 Dead in California Shooting, Two Suspects Killed

5
Average number of firearms owned by a gun owner once you toss out the top 3% of gun owners who own more than 25 guns. (Journal of Injury Prevention)Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI)

31%
Percentage of American households with guns. (NORC)

29%, 43.7%, 55.9%
Adults living in a household with firearms: percentage by suburbs, other urban areas, and rural counties, respectively. (NORC)


60%
Percentage of Americans who say personal safety/protection is the reason they own a gun. (Gallup)

$229 billion
The cost of fatal and non-fatal gun violence to the U.S. in 2012, representing 1.4% of total gross domestic product.(Mother Jones)


http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/americas-gun-business-by-the-numbers.html

 
Authorities found 12 pipe bombs in the stash of weapons. Pipe bombs aren't legal in any state.

Laws work great when people want to commit violence.
 
nitro said:
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America's Gun Business, By the Numbers

"...That one sale is a single dot in a multibillion-dollar industry, one that is coming under new scrutiny during the post-massacre gun control debate. Here's a by the numbers breakdown.

$13.5 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition manufacturing industry, with a $1.5 billion profit. (IBIS World)

$3.1 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition stores, with a $478.4 million profit. (IBIS World)

10,847,792
The number of pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns and miscellaneous firearms manufactured in the U.S. in 2013, the latest full year available. That's 4,441,726 pistols, 725,282 revolvers, 3,979,570 rifles, 1,203,072 shotguns, and 495,142 miscellaneous firearms. (ATF)

4%
Percentage of the above guns which were exported. Of those 10.84 million guns, 10,413,880 stay in America. (ATF)

270-310 million
Estimated number of guns in the U.S. (Pew Research Center)

263,223
Number of full-time jobs related to the firearm industry, up from 209,750 in 2012. (NSSF)

$42.9 billion
Estimated overall economic impact of the firearms and ammo industry in the U.S. (NSSF)

20,968,273
Number of firearm background checks initiated in 2014. Because a background check is required before a gun is bought, this numbers gives insight into gun sale trends. However, just because a background check was initiated doesn't mean a gun was purchased. (FBI)

9,138,123
Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI)

More from NBC News: San Bernardino Shooting is Deadliest Since Newtown
Staggering Stats: There Have Been More Mass Shootings Than Days This Year
At Least 14 Dead in California Shooting, Two Suspects Killed

5
Average number of firearms owned by a gun owner once you toss out the top 3% of gun owners who own more than 25 guns. (Journal of Injury Prevention)Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI)

31%
Percentage of American households with guns. (NORC)

29%, 43.7%, 55.9%
Adults living in a household with firearms: percentage by suburbs, other urban areas, and rural counties, respectively. (NORC)


60%
Percentage of Americans who say personal safety/protection is the reason they own a gun. (Gallup)

$229 billion
The cost of fatal and non-fatal gun violence to the U.S. in 2012, representing 1.4% of total gross domestic product.(Mother Jones)


http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/americas-gun-business-by-the-numbers.html
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Awesome, Nitro. Leaving "stats" presented by "Mother Jones" aside for a moment, you never did provide a solution on how you'd get rid of all the guns on the street when I asked you about it last time. Wanna take another shot?
 
jimmiebarton said:
Well, noticed you put "rights" like that (in quotations)

is this because you don't believe your own BS?

no respectable NRA member would put "gun rights" in quotations.:D
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I don't even own a gun. Don't feel the need. Haven't fired a weapon since I was in the Marine Corps and that was 45 years ago.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Awesome, Nitro. Leaving "stats" presented by "Mother Jones" aside for a moment, you never did provide a solution on how you'd get rid of all the guns on the street when I asked you about it last time. Wanna take another shot?
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Two steps, make assault rifles (AR) illegal to own, and I think there has to be a financial incentive for people to give ARs back voluntarily by giving them the market value of their AR back. Then, those ARs might be replaced by plain old hand guns - POHGs, and preferably not semi-automatic. But there are two components to a gun, and maybe number of rounds purchased is where people should be concentrating on not just type of weapon.

I see no reason other than that it might be cool to be able to own an assault rifle to have one. For hunting, a standard rifle is more than adequate. I am not suggesting people should not own gun since it is a constitutional right. I claim that we are all safer if we make assault rifles illegal to own for non military or police officers.

If you are a registered owner of an assault rifle and you have not turned in your rifle by a certain amount of time, you will be getting a house call from the army. If you want to get in a war with your assault rifle them, may you vaya con Dios.
 
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Just a quick question to all you AR loving people. How many of you, while not in uniform, defended a single person that has been attacked by one of these warped people? Of the 300,000,000 guns owned in this country, how many in percent terms have been used for self-defense by non-military or non-police officers?

You are seven times more likely to get struck by lighting than to have to use an assault rifle to defend yourself.
 
ElCubano said:
300,000,000 puts us on the point of no return. That's like having Trump ship out all the illegals..imposible
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Of those 300M only a tiny fraction are ARs. I didn't say it is against the law to own guns. On the contrary, it is a constitutional right. I say it is illegal to own an AR, and probably a semi-automatic handgun although I am willing to live with those.
 
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